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Post by dohnut on Sept 19, 2023 9:26:05 GMT
When Scumend finally die My heart runneth over for them, half a second later deep joy. At last the pikey club is gone That really is a sad, bitter and f’d up view. You seem proud of it too, which probably says more about you than anything else. I hope they live, among the benefits of which will be that you remain disappointed. WatfordO. We’ve had our disagreements but this guy isn’t about different opinions, he is posting just to get a reaction. He loves a wind up. If his views are genuine then feel sad for him, but better not to give him the oxygen of a reaction in my opinion. I certainly don’t intend to respond to this type of stuff any more. |
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Post by watfordo on Sept 19, 2023 9:34:35 GMT
That really is a sad, bitter and f’d up view. You seem proud of it too, which probably says more about you than anything else. I hope they live, among the benefits of which will be that you remain disappointed. WatfordO. We’ve had our disagreements but this guy isn’t about different opinions, he is posting just to get a reaction. He loves a wind up. If his views are genuine then feel sad for him, but better not to give him the oxygen of a reaction in my opinion. I certainly don’t intend to respond to this type of stuff any more. I think youre right. 👍 |
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Post by billericayo on Sept 19, 2023 13:42:48 GMT
When Scumend finally die My heart runneth over for them, half a second later deep joy. At last the pikey club is gone That really is a sad, bitter and f’d up view. You seem proud of it too, which probably says more about you than anything else. I hope they live, among the benefits of which will be that you remain disappointed. I'm not sad or bitter, we just have a different view, if they keep going then so be it, I wont be disapointed either, just don't like them, same as I don't like Derby from the time they vandalised my car making it very hard to get back home |
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Post by redshank on Sept 19, 2023 13:52:46 GMT
Saw the video of the 3-0 defeat by York City,they looked very good and the two sending offs they had were bewildering.The manager would not comment on them for obvious reasons.
As we know, difficult as the refs job is,in the National League the standard is very low.
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Post by kent on Sept 19, 2023 19:02:20 GMT
Rivals notwithstanding surely everyone in football can appreciate how much a badly run football club can adversely affect their fortunes and if any club can truly empathise with this situation then it must be ourselves. I hope they survive as football clubs are so key to any community.
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Post by dohnut on Sept 19, 2023 20:44:48 GMT
2-0 win against near impossible odds. 4700 watch a bottom of the table NL game. 41 away! Can’t knock their effort.
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Post by theydonorient on Sept 21, 2023 5:44:03 GMT
Justin Rees has issued a statement on the 19th September which does not look good.
Says they have made two declined bids and it does not look likely a deal can be done by the 4th October.
Laughingly it says that Ron Martin has assured them he can avoid being liquidated on the 4th.
How can he say that when the Judge has already said otherwise ?
A STATEMENT from Justin Rees on behalf of a consortium bidding to buy Southend United.
Given the recent speculation surrounding a consortium bid for Southend United FC (SUFC), combined with the Club’s scheduled court appearance date on 4th October 2023, we would like to make a brief statement.
We confirm that a consortium has been formed to purchase Ron Martin's SUFC shareholding.
Most of the consortium members have a long association with the Southend area, and all are football fans.
Our first objective is to save the Club and then work hard to transform it into a sustainable operating model that is not vulnerable to the various ownership issues that have impacted the Club in recent years.
We are confident we have the skills, energy, and finances to help Southend United’s fortunes improve both on and off the pitch.
Discussions with Mr. Martin have been in progress for more than 10 weeks.
Any deal is particularly complicated due to the state of the Club's finances, the condition of Roots Hall, the non-viability of a new stadium at Fossetts Farm, as well as the ownership of the training ground and Roots Hall properties remaining outside of the Club.
Despite this, the consortium has submitted two bids over the past week, neither of which has been accepted.
We remain open to continued negotiations with Mr. Martin however it now seems unlikely that any deal can be agreed prior to the 4th of October court appearance date.
It is our understanding that Mr. Martin will ensure the Club avoids liquidation on the 4th of October, however, the threat of administration remains.
Administration impacts the Club significantly, on and off the pitch, as well as its numerous creditors who have supported the Club financially for many years.
As such, it has been our strong preference to avoid Administration, however this is of course not within our control.
We do not intend to make the full details of our bid public at this time except to note that it is centred around retaining and upgrading Roots Hall as the Club’s stadium, while taking ownership of that property plus the training ground back into the Club.
We believe this would release Mr. Martin to develop Fossetts Farm without a new stadium requirement, and as a result, are looking to him to contribute funds back towards the redevelopment of Roots Hall.
The structure of our bid and the decision to stay at Roots Hall have been discussed with Anna Firth MP, Sir James Duddridge, Cllr Tony Cox (leader of Southend City Council) and members of the Shrimpers Trust, each of whom have given their full support.
We appreciate updates such as this can answer some questions but raise new ones.
We also recognise this is a period of great concern and anxiety for fans so will keep in regular contact with the Shrimpers Trust to answer questions that may arise although there are some details we will not be able to share until the process has formally completed.
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Post by Thor on Sept 21, 2023 7:26:39 GMT
Now I'm not a lawyer, but this is how I interpret that.
1) he pays all monies owed before the court and avoids liquidation and on the circus rolls
2) he places the company into administration prior to the court case and this avoids the judge liquidating them as they'd have already been before a judge to approve the administration. It's doubtfully one judge would go against the other and the administration is therefore approved.
Now 2 seems realistic to me as the main assets as I've said previously is owned by another Martin company so would remain outside of any administration. They would take the points, be relegated probably and be debt free and next season work there way back to the football league with a massive advantage over other clubs.
This is a major worry now as the one thing you can't do is take on the courts and play games with them.
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Post by billericayo on Sept 21, 2023 7:38:39 GMT
Saw the video of the 3-0 defeat by York City,they looked very good and the two sending offs they had were bewildering.The manager would not comment on them for obvious reasons. As we know, difficult as the refs job is,in the National League the standard is very low. One of my sons commented that in the National League, Prison Rules applied |
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Post by mayland0s on Sept 21, 2023 9:26:04 GMT
I don't know where the "pikey" reference comes from about Southend. They're just fans that live in the area and a lot of them will have East End roots, I would've thought. I have friends in Southend, OK they're a little bit pikey but they don't go to the football.  I think the gypsy camps around Basildon and those parts of Essex have lead people to use the phrase Pikey in recognition of the fans . Also Freddy Eastwood came from gypsy family that lived on the Basildon site . I also wish the best for Southend and their fans and hope they survive ,with their terrific fan base they’ve got a good chance . |
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Post by BasOfromthatLondon on Sept 21, 2023 10:37:47 GMT
Ah,OK. I didn't know there were camps, I thought it was just one site (Dales Farm) which is on the other side of the A127, very near to where billericayo lives, if I've got that right. I thought they moved out of there years ago. I can now see why billericayo has such a soft spot for them.   |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 21, 2023 10:51:43 GMT
Now I'm not a lawyer, but this is how I interpret that. 1) he pays all monies owed before the court and avoids liquidation and on the circus rolls 2) he places the company into administration prior to the court case and this avoids the judge liquidating them as they'd have already been before a judge to approve the administration. It's doubtfully one judge would go against the other and the administration is therefore approved. Now 2 seems realistic to me as the main assets as I've said previously is owned by another Martin company so would remain outside of any administration. They would take the points, be relegated probably and be debt free and next season work there way back to the football league with a massive advantage over other clubs. This is a major worry now as the one thing you can't do is take on the courts and play games with them. I’m no legal expert but your interpretation seems reasonable. I’d be surprised if all of a sudden he is able to pay all monies owed by the 4th October given his recent history. Not impossible of course but unlikely. Maybe he has assets he can use to secure another loan deal. Option 2 does seem a way out. Well for Martin anyway, nobody else. Not too sure he cares where Southend play but they would still exist as a club, with a much lower cost base, and no doubt confident that enough supporters will continue watch irrespective of where they play (which given the loyalty of the fan base is a reasonable assumption). But given a warning already issued by a judge, he is playing with fire. But let’s face it, he has a long history of getting away with court appearances so maybe his confidence is justified. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 21, 2023 11:04:02 GMT
Ah,OK. I didn't know there were camps, I thought it was just one site (Dales Farm) which is on the other side of the A127, very near to where billericayo lives, if I've got that right. I thought they moved out of there years ago. I can now see why billericayo has such a soft spot for them. I think we all understand that Bas. But to spout racist comments at a football club and its fan base is just so wrong. I want no part of it. |
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Post by BasOfromthatLondon on Sept 21, 2023 11:30:53 GMT
I've heard worse. If he'd gone up there with a AK-47 that would've been a different matter.
I agree with what you're saying though, I also think hate can come back and bite you up the bum.
Seeds that you sow, and all that.
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Post by dohnut on Sept 21, 2023 12:04:09 GMT
I've heard worse. If he'd gone up there with a AK-47 that would've been a different matter. I agree with what you're saying though, I also think hate can come back and bite you up the bum. Seeds that you sow, and all that. Did you ever get involved in the football “scuffles” of yesteryear Bas? Hate being the word. I can remember hiding my colours after leaving the old Den, being part of police escorts to railway stations after a game, Leicester away never to be forgotten. And never having any football related stickers on my car. And yes, I will admit to seeing the red mist after games, ready to mix it. But mainly verbals. Football is generally far more civilised today. That and I am now older. 😂 |
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Post by buffalobill on Sept 21, 2023 13:46:27 GMT
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Post by BasOfromthatLondon on Sept 21, 2023 14:01:50 GMT
I've heard worse. If he'd gone up there with a AK-47 that would've been a different matter. I agree with what you're saying though, I also think hate can come back and bite you up the bum. Seeds that you sow, and all that. Did you ever get involved in the football “scuffles” of yesteryear Bas? Hate being the word. I can remember hiding my colours after leaving the old Den, being part of police escorts to railway stations after a game, Leicester away never to be forgotten. And never having any football related stickers on my car. And yes, I will admit to seeing the red mist after games, ready to mix it. But mainly verbals. Football is generally far more civilised today. That and I am now older. 😂 I had a a couple of pairs of bovver boots and went through a period of dressing like a skinhead (fashion only) but no I never got involved with fighting. Had a few near misses. I, lets say, walked faster than normal away from some Hull City fans at home in the play-off semi. They were getting planks of wood and broken concrete out of a skip in Windsor Road, and I don't think they were building a shed. Another near miss at Upton Park (Middlesborough supporters) where I was worried about being stabbed. I used to worry about my number plates giving away my area at away games and defo hid scarves and that until I was in the ground. I was never too concerned with most O's matches home or away although Cardiff City was always a potential for trouble. Division One matches were obviously the worst for a bit of aggro. Orient Aggro, Orient Aggro. Doesn't sound right does it. ICF: They're all pensioners now. LOL |
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Post by fortissimo on Sept 21, 2023 14:23:46 GMT
Everyone needs to be reminded that Southend's fans were never more happier than when we were on the brink of extinction
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Post by buffalobill on Sept 21, 2023 14:29:41 GMT
Everyone needs to be reminded that Southend's fans were never more happier than when we were on the brink of extinction The minority maybe, but certainly not amongst the decent SUFC football fans I know. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 21, 2023 15:04:03 GMT
I've heard worse. If he'd gone up there with a AK-47 that would've been a different matter. I agree with what you're saying though, I also think hate can come back and bite you up the bum. Seeds that you sow, and all that. Did you ever get involved in the football “scuffles” of yesteryear Bas? Hate being the word. I can remember hiding my colours after leaving the old Den, being part of police escorts to railway stations after a game, Leicester away never to be forgotten. And never having any football related stickers on my car. And yes, I will admit to seeing the red mist after games, ready to mix it. But mainly verbals. Football is generally far more civilised today. That and I am now older. 😂 It was great when the train started to pull out of the station and you could laugh and point at the Leicester thugs, what a great journey home. |
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