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Post by mayland0s on Feb 4, 2024 10:20:10 GMT
All this fuss over Wellens. He knows exactly what the score is. He's done a great job for us and HIMSELF. He knows that we wouldn't survive in the championship, but to get to at least the playoffs this season would raise his stock even more. Then he would be gone before the disaster of the championship unfolded. Can you imagine him risking the sack after loss upon loss and the constant meltdown of the fans. No way is he going to accept that. Enjoy the remainder of this season and see if he is around for the next. The only caveat to this is if there are major investors waiting in the wings Spot on .
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Post by Fisch on Feb 4, 2024 10:50:24 GMT
...................The only caveat to this is if there are major investors waiting in the wings I can't see that. There's no headroom for expansion and certainly no sign of any kind of RoI in that. If such people are around, clubs like Reading, Oldham, Scunny, Bury, Swindon, York, Southend.... all have a much bigger business space to move into from where they are now. LOFC are already banging our heads on our glass ceiling.
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Post by buffalobill on Feb 4, 2024 11:19:29 GMT
RW was definitely cheesed off and doubtless he would believe that the playoffs were possibly, however unlikely that would be (and certainly more unlikely given Agyei is now out).
Ling mentioned bookies odds on promotion/relegation in his interview, which at the time struck me as slightly odd, but for me the pieces have fallen into place.
The board have discussed what the targets are for the rest of the season and whilst RW would have wanted to push on for the playoffs, I think the consensus was for consolidation. Consolidation for financial reasons and consolidation because had we by some miracle achieved promotion, the club is in no way ready for the Championship yet, either in squad terms or money terms. We would have spent 1 season there and have been relegated.
RW is ambitious, RW believes in himself and his ability to deliver, so accepting second best is never going to sit easy with him, but sometimes you just have to accept that what you want just can't be delivered yet.
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Post by posho on Feb 4, 2024 11:23:42 GMT
Agreed, and Wellens will know this, so no big club advantage for him here. Only a medium term manager for us from now on.For us fans, I want the most success that we can achieve and we have had some great times recently. I would prefer an exciting league one than humiliating championship.
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Post by redintheface on Feb 4, 2024 11:31:16 GMT
I don't think Richie was particularly angry with Ling, the club or anything else. He's an emotional soul and got bored sitting in the executive box five floors up. He likes to wave his arms, shout and get into the nitty gritty of the game. I thought our players missed him and he missed shouting at them. All the comings and goings were as he said they would be a week or so ago. The Agyei injury was a complete and unfortunate surprise. Though banned from the pitch is he allowed to communicate with the technical area? Yes! The FA allows three methods only:- 1. Boy Scout runner
2. Semaphore
3. Heliograph ( if it’s a sunny day) 😄
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Post by tattyfilarious on Feb 4, 2024 11:42:14 GMT
No pigeons? Tin can and piece of string?
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Post by mujtahido on Feb 4, 2024 11:50:42 GMT
Orient are now 12/1 to finish top six.Just saying
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Post by dohnut on Feb 4, 2024 13:20:50 GMT
Orient are now 12/1 to finish top six.Just saying Decent odds. With so many games to go and our form holding steady we have a chance. Would add an exciting end to a decent season. Especially going up. Even if we didn’t invest in a championship capable team and came back down again there must be financial benefits attached to a year in the Championship. We can but hope. And we have a manager ready and willing to go for it. Come on boys. 👏👏👏
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Post by blip the thrOttle on Feb 4, 2024 13:46:31 GMT
Orient are now 12/1 to finish top six.Just saying Decent odds. With so many games to go and our form holding steady we have a chance. Would add an exciting end to a decent season. Especially going up. Even if we didn’t invest in a championship capable team and came back down again there must be financial benefits attached to a year in the Championship. We can but hope. And we have a manager ready and willing to go for it. Come on boys. 👏👏👏 We are 2nd the form table for the last 8 games, over the last 8 games we are averaging 2.13 PPG, Dan Agyei has been a big part of that, by my reckoning if we can continue to maintain or better the 2.13 PPG we will probably finish the season in the play offs, although it's not impossible it will obviously be more difficult with Dan Agyei out for the remainder of the season. RW is quite right aiming for the play offs and is undoubtedly fustrated that with Dan Agyei's injury being compounded with missing out on the striker in the transfer window.
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Post by Thor on Feb 4, 2024 16:13:58 GMT
I don't think Richie was particularly angry with Ling, the club or anything else. He's an emotional soul and got bored sitting in the executive box five floors up. He likes to wave his arms, shout and get into the nitty gritty of the game. I thought our players missed him and he missed shouting at them. All the comings and goings were as he said they would be a week or so ago. The Agyei injury was a complete and unfortunate surprise. Though banned from the pitch is he allowed to communicate with the technical area? yes he is allowed, probably had an open phone line yo the bench.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 4, 2024 18:27:07 GMT
We have witnessed poor management. If I was ML I would not be happy with some of those public comments. RW too perhaps not best pleased for his own reasons. You and I both know that. It needs sorting quickly, quietly and importantly in private and I’ve little doubt NT will resolve. And I doubt it will be repeated. Lessons learned and we move on. Sort it, don’t let it fester. It will be sorted, hopefully, then we can all get back to football. Overreaction Such situations create nothing but division and argument. Nothing constructive comes from these sort of things. Instead of talk of a good win, some really good goals and our pushing on with an outside chance of playoffs talk everywhere is overshadowed by comments on this. Sides are being taken, for or against RW, for or against Ling, praise and criticism of the board. Even a question suggested for the NT podcast to cover this. I hope it is not asked. The evidence of how divisive these types of things are, are out there. Frustrating. Unnecessary. Evidence of poor management is plentiful. And surprising given this aspect of our club is generally very good. It is sad, totally unnecessary and as I said divisive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 18:40:25 GMT
Orient are now 12/1 to finish top six.Just saying Decent odds. With so many games to go and our form holding steady we have a chance. Would add an exciting end to a decent season. Especially going up. Even if we didn’t invest in a championship capable team and came back down again there must be financial benefits attached to a year in the Championship. We can but hope. And we have a manager ready and willing to go for it. Come on boys. 👏👏👏 If we can get a season of championship tv money on a league 1 budget, I'd be ok with this, even if it means a miserable season.
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Post by watfordo on Feb 4, 2024 18:42:49 GMT
Such situations create nothing but division and argument. Nothing constructive comes from these sort of things. Instead of talk of a good win, some really good goals and our pushing on with an outside chance of playoffs talk everywhere is overshadowed by comments on this. Sides are being taken, for or against RW, for or against Ling, praise and criticism of the board. Even a question suggested for the NT podcast to cover this. I hope it is not asked. The evidence of how divisive these types of things are, are out there. Frustrating. Unnecessary. Evidence of poor management is plentiful. And surprising given this aspect of our club is generally very good. It is sad, totally unnecessary and as I said divisive. But your whole premise is wrong.
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Post by Thor on Feb 4, 2024 18:48:36 GMT
Decent odds. With so many games to go and our form holding steady we have a chance. Would add an exciting end to a decent season. Especially going up. Even if we didn’t invest in a championship capable team and came back down again there must be financial benefits attached to a year in the Championship. We can but hope. And we have a manager ready and willing to go for it. Come on boys. 👏👏👏 If we can get a season of championship tv money on a league 1 budget, I'd be ok with this, even if it means a miserable season. me too. However, with RW I'm am certain he'd keep us up in that season, it would be a proper scrap, but like his character we would fight, bite, scrap and do everything to stay there and stay I'm convinced he would do. One thing seems to have passed everyone by and Nigel said it, next season the TV money in the championship jumps x5 so there is a significant financial uplift, on top of this the Premier league is still to agree the financial settlement which means more cash available. We are sitting in a great place to take advantage of this when we arrive. We will need more investment then and the investors behind Nigel and Kent I'm sure are not here for league 2 football, one of them even said Premier league, why not. So I'm convinced that money will be there when needed, until then we build and try to live within our means. The championship is coming to this club, it's just when that happens, not if.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 18:50:57 GMT
Such situations create nothing but division and argument. Nothing constructive comes from these sort of things. Instead of talk of a good win, some really good goals and our pushing on with an outside chance of playoffs talk everywhere is overshadowed by comments on this. Sides are being taken, for or against RW, for or against Ling, praise and criticism of the board. Even a question suggested for the NT podcast to cover this. I hope it is not asked. The evidence of how divisive these types of things are, are out there. Frustrating. Unnecessary. Evidence of poor management is plentiful. And surprising given this aspect of our club is generally very good. It is sad, totally unnecessary and as I said divisive. Again, he was asked about the ins and outs and answered honestly. That's fine. Your position only makes sense if he's pushing the issue himself. I agree that I'd rather it wasn't brought up to Nigel on the pod, but the problem there is fans making a bigger deal out of it than it is. In which case, you surely need to accept some responsibility for that yourself.
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Post by Thor on Feb 4, 2024 18:51:16 GMT
If we can get a season of championship tv money on a league 1 budget, I'd be ok with this, even if it means a miserable season. You may well be happy with relegation and a miserable season but consider 8600 other fans may not. How would it be miserable? Watching your team play at the highest it has in about 40 years, fighting against the odds to earn that right to be there. Give me that any day over the national league, league 2 or league 1. Set your sights higher, aim for the stars and if you fail it won't because you didn't try.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 18:56:08 GMT
If we can get a season of championship tv money on a league 1 budget, I'd be ok with this, even if it means a miserable season. ...One thing seems to have passed everyone by and Nigel said it, next season the TV money in the championship jumps x5 so there is a significant financial uplift... Come on mate, gimme some credit 😁 Champ TV money is 7-8 mill.
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Post by Thor on Feb 4, 2024 18:56:13 GMT
Such situations create nothing but division and argument. Nothing constructive comes from these sort of things. Instead of talk of a good win, some really good goals and our pushing on with an outside chance of playoffs talk everywhere is overshadowed by comments on this. Sides are being taken, for or against RW, for or against Ling, praise and criticism of the board. Even a question suggested for the NT podcast to cover this. I hope it is not asked. The evidence of how divisive these types of things are, are out there. Frustrating. Unnecessary. Evidence of poor management is plentiful. And surprising given this aspect of our club is generally very good. It is sad, totally unnecessary and as I said divisive. Again, he was asked about the ins and outs and answered honestly. That's fine. Your position only makes sense if he's pushing the issue himself. I agree that I'd rather it wasn't brought up to Nigel on the pod, but the problem there is fans making a bigger deal out of it than it is. In which case, you surely need to accept some responsibility for that yourself. why do you think Nigel is appearing tonight? It's not to say how great we are doing or buy some more pies it's due to the fans reactions on this board and the dark side and whilst I don't do social media I'm sure the same is happening there. He is standing up and being counted, its what good leaders do, they don't hide they show leadership. We have a great leadership team at this club, he is clearly showing that tonight instead of saying "no comment" I trust the podcast show why I've said this is where they excel and I'm sure they will ask the difficult questions, after all Nigel wrote a book about push back and challenging the leadership of a business, he demonstrating that right now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2024 18:57:47 GMT
You may well be happy with relegation and a miserable season but consider 8600 other fans may not. How would it be miserable? Watching your team play at the highest it has in about 40 years, fighting against the odds to earn that right to be there. Give me that any day over the national league, league 2 or league 1. Set your sights higher, aim for the stars and if you fail it won't because you didn't try. The notion of watching my team lose every weekend is pretty miserable to me, no matter how much live laugh love stuff you wanna tack onto it. Still, in the long run it could be a good thing. The problem comes from slinging more money than you can afford at trying to make the prem and failing. And estaing, you'll be happy to hear that I was speaking only for myself.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 4, 2024 18:58:56 GMT
If we can get a season of championship tv money on a league 1 budget, I'd be ok with this, even if it means a miserable season. You may well be happy with relegation and a miserable season but consider 8600 other fans may not. I enjoyed one season in division 1 (now Premiership). Of course it ended up in relegation but I would not have missed that experience at all. The excitement of promotion, the big games, some great wins and yes of course many losses. But what a time. What a season. The memories of which last a lifetime. So would I take that now, a season in the Championship. Absolutely. But the point was more based on finances. Not financing the club at silly levels. Don’t want to do the same as others. But increased TV revenues for example. Money from the playoffs. Hopefully a decent 3rd round FA cup tie. Some great grounds. And perhaps the chance to attract players without breaking the bank. Financial prudence of course and I would not expect anything less from our owners. Maybe even attract investment. I have no idea how others would view it. I cannot speak on behalf of the other 8600 supporters. Just me.
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