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Post by watfordo on Jun 27, 2024 9:04:38 GMT
I also think it leaves us terribly short of options up front.
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Post by eca on Jun 27, 2024 9:05:49 GMT
I’m not sure if it is beneficial to orient that he has gone reference his future ability within RW team.
I assume it’s beneficial to Ruel as he must be getting a longer contract and if not more money the cost of a house will be less there
He always appeared a happy person at the training and match videos
All I can say is all the best for your future Ruel
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Post by dohnut on Jun 27, 2024 9:08:11 GMT
Well, Im sorry to see him go and I think he has progressed. We will know his true value to us when he isnt around next season. I’d have been happy if he had stayed too. But clearly he didn’t want to and judging by his contract renewal history he fancied a move away at some point. No problem with that at all. More money, regular starter, new faces? Who knows. What we do know is he was offered a new contract and it wasn’t good enough for him. He rejected us. He wasn’t turned away. i believe our club are fair to players and treat them with respect. Our offer would have been a reflection on our view of his worth. Who knows what adjustments were made during negotiations. If others value him more that’s fine, that’s football. Not the first player we’ve lost and won’t be the last. What matters is who we replace him with, only then will we be in a position to judge.
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Post by dennisrofe on Jun 27, 2024 9:15:42 GMT
Well, Im sorry to see him go and I think he has progressed. We will know his true value to us when he isnt around next season. Detractors seem to focus on his shortcomings and would rather ignore the positives, 11 Division One goals scored, 5 assist's and fit enough to play in 42 league games ! He is a natural goal scorer, something you cannot coach into a player, the ability to be in the right place at the right time, also a hard worker on the pitch who puts defenders under pressure which is a vital part of the high fitness modern pressing game, something that Richie demands of his players. Richie for sure will not be pleased he is leaving and hope we manage to secure a couple of decent replacements. Lastly wish Ruel all the best in his new club. Footballers carer can be a short one so cant blame Ruel for trying to get the best financial deal available for himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2024 9:28:31 GMT
What we do know is he was offered a new contract and it wasn’t good enough for him. He rejected us. He wasn’t turned away. If SalarySport.com is to be believed, he was on 1.7k a week. That makes our top scorer two seasons in a row something like our 18th highest paid player So what did we offer him? If it was in the region of 2-2.5k a week then I'd say we effectively did turn him away. We'll obviously never know, but I don't see us offering much more than that. Many other clubs at this level would.
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Post by watfordo on Jun 27, 2024 9:52:41 GMT
What we do know is he was offered a new contract and it wasn’t good enough for him. He rejected us. He wasn’t turned away. If SalarySport.com is to be believed, he was on 1.7k a week. That makes our top scorer two seasons in a row something like our 18th highest paid player So what did we offer him? If it was in the region of 2-2.5k a week then I'd say we effectively did turn him away. We'll obviously never know, but I don't see us offering much more than that. Many other clubs at this level would. 100%. He has every right to reject a contract that he feels undervalues him.
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Post by osoldguy on Jun 27, 2024 10:08:59 GMT
If SalarySport.com is to be believed, he was on 1.7k a week. That makes our top scorer two seasons in a row something like our 18th highest paid player So what did we offer him? If it was in the region of 2-2.5k a week then I'd say we effectively did turn him away. We'll obviously never know, but I don't see us offering much more than that. Many other clubs at this level would. 100%. He has every right to reject a contract that he feels undervalues him. If figures stated for the offered amount, no wonder he looked elsewhere. Chesterfield last year were reported paying their players 2.5k per week with top earners on 4k per week.
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Post by posho on Jun 27, 2024 10:17:35 GMT
He was our top Scorer, but no one has mentioned that 3 of our forward players were injured for a great deal of the season. We he still have been if they were not plus would he have had as much game time. He was also seen as a super sub, different player as a starter. It's things like this that devide opinion.
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Post by redshank on Jun 27, 2024 10:22:42 GMT
He was our top Scorer, but no one has mentioned that 3 of our forward players were injured for a great deal of the season. We he still have been if they were not plus would he have had as much game time. He was also seen as a super sub, different player as a starter. It's things like this that devide opinion. Sorry to see Ruel go,but you make some very valid points.Remember the thread;If Ruel is the answer.
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Post by watfordo on Jun 27, 2024 10:30:35 GMT
He was our top Scorer, but no one has mentioned that 3 of our forward players were injured for a great deal of the season. We he still have been if they were not plus would he have had as much game time. He was also seen as a super sub, different player as a starter. It's things like this that devide opinion. Agree with a lot of this but, alternatively or in addition, we would have been screwed without him.
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Post by dennisrofe on Jun 27, 2024 11:26:58 GMT
He was our top Scorer, but no one has mentioned that 3 of our forward players were injured for a great deal of the season. We he still have been if they were not plus would he have had as much game time. He was also seen as a super sub, different player as a starter. It's things like this that devide opinion. Agree with a lot of this but, alternatively or in addition, we would have been screwed without him. The season that KJ was replaced, Matt Harold was put in charge on a temporary basis and he brought Ruel back into the team ( later RW became the new manager ) and Ruels goals for the rest of that season were a big factor in the Os avoiding relegation back to the National league.
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Post by harrycat on Jun 27, 2024 11:49:44 GMT
I liked him. He always tried to play and run for the team. Top scorer. Of course there are some weaknesses in his play but don't every one have some weaknesses . Look at the top outstanding players in the England team .Sorry to see him go. I reckon he will be missed. Good luck to him in the future except when playing us.
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Post by Nick312 on Jun 27, 2024 16:00:37 GMT
Totally agree. He scored some fantastic goals, several of which were key to us last season. I particularly remember that at Exeter away, which helped shift us from downward to upward looking. Good luck Ruel, thank you.
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Post by dohnut on Jun 27, 2024 19:01:05 GMT
What we do know is he was offered a new contract and it wasn’t good enough for him. He rejected us. He wasn’t turned away. If SalarySport.com is to be believed, he was on 1.7k a week. That makes our top scorer two seasons in a row something like our 18th highest paid player So what did we offer him? If it was in the region of 2-2.5k a week then I'd say we effectively did turn him away. We'll obviously never know, but I don't see us offering much more than that. Many other clubs at this level would. When that contract was agreed 2 years ago he was 21 with a modest to fair scoring record, modest performances in league 2 and yet to become a full international. Based on that, a contract at £1.7k a week is in my opinion very reasonable. Nor do we know about any add-on bonus payments. To measure last seasons scoring record against a contract agreed 2 years ago is clearly nonsense. We don’t know what he was offered this time, nor what his demands were. If he moved because BR met his wage demands, fair enough. Absolutely right for Ruel to follow the money. They want to take a punt and have the finances to do so it appears. Thats life and we respect his right to go and their right to spend. What is wrong is to expect our Directors who dig deep already just to keep the club alive, to dig even deeper. I’ve no doubt they would back RW/ML if a really strong case was presented. But in all things our financial stewardship comes first.
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Post by Thor on Jun 28, 2024 0:22:06 GMT
I think Donuts last post is correct. If RW had wanted to keep him, we’d have kept him. The dig about his contract says it all to me. It’s happened, it’s over we move on, now it’s down to RW and ML to find a player as good as if not better to replace him. That excites me.
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Post by buffalobill on Jun 28, 2024 6:29:39 GMT
Head Coach Richie Wellens said: “The club made Ruel a great offer to stay but he’s taken the decision to move on and, as disappointed as we are, we have to respect that.
“Ruel was someone that I wanted to keep but we have an agreed budget and wage structure here and it is important for the long-term stability of the club that we stick to that. Myself and all of the footballing staff are aligned on that.
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Post by Ramrod on Jun 28, 2024 7:56:10 GMT
Head Coach Richie Wellens said: “The club made Ruel a great offer to stay but he’s taken the decision to move on and, as disappointed as we are, we have to respect that. “Ruel was someone that I wanted to keep but we have an agreed budget and wage structure here and it is important for the long-term stability of the club that we stick to that. Myself and all of the footballing staff are aligned on that. Yeah, RW has repeatedly stated he wanted to keep Sotiriou. But at the end of the season he also said he didn't expect him to stay.
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Post by eca on Jun 28, 2024 8:15:09 GMT
RW also said he saw Ruel as a super sub rather than a starter
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 10:53:12 GMT
If SalarySport.com is to be believed, he was on 1.7k a week. That makes our top scorer two seasons in a row something like our 18th highest paid player So what did we offer him? If it was in the region of 2-2.5k a week then I'd say we effectively did turn him away. We'll obviously never know, but I don't see us offering much more than that. Many other clubs at this level would. When that contract was agreed 2 years ago he was 21 with a modest to fair scoring record, modest performances in league 2 and yet to become a full international. Based on that, a contract at £1.7k a week is in my opinion very reasonable. Nor do we know about any add-on bonus payments. To measure last seasons scoring record against a contract agreed 2 years ago is clearly nonsense. We don’t know what he was offered this time, nor what his demands were. If he moved because BR met his wage demands, fair enough. Absolutely right for Ruel to follow the money. They want to take a punt and have the finances to do so it appears. Thats life and we respect his right to go and their right to spend. What is wrong is to expect our Directors who dig deep already just to keep the club alive, to dig even deeper. I’ve no doubt they would back RW/ML if a really strong case was presented. But in all things our financial stewardship comes first. You haven't understood the point I was trying to make so I'll rephrase it: 1) You said "he wasn't turned away", but since we don't know how much was offered, can we say that definitively? We certainly don't know if we made any serious attempt to keep him. 2) We weren't paying him much and still wouldn't be even with a fairly significant pay rise. (Even 100% would be less than we were paying Drinan.) When his old contract was signed is irrelevant. To elaborate, we know Richie sees him as an impact sub rather than a starter. So does anyone really believe we made him an offer in line with what the top scorer at a L1 club should be earning? Anything less would be an offer everyone at the club would fully expect Ruel to turn down. They all know Ruel isn't happy being an impact sub. Richie has openly said it. So I think it's reasonable to assume we didn't make any serious attempt to keep him. Maybe we made him a great offer, as Richie says, but it still would've been a great offer for an impact sub 🤷 As for my personal stance on him, I would've liked to have kept him but also see him as an impact sub. I wish him all the best.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2024 10:59:30 GMT
He was our top Scorer, but no one has mentioned that 3 of our forward players were injured for a great deal of the season. We he still have been if they were not plus would he have had as much game time. He was also seen as a super sub, different player as a starter. It's things like this that devide opinion. 2 of those 3 still had a half season. Theo scored 2 goals and Graham scored zero. Even if he spent the while season coming off the bench he likely still would've been our second top scorer behind Agyei.
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