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Post by watfordo on Jul 3, 2024 10:33:54 GMT
But like stills said above your post. Have we not learnt? The choice we have is another 5 years of this lot, Labour or Lib Dems. After that we have the looney fringe of Reform, Workers Party etc. We get the politicians we deserve. From that list, Labour is the only viable alternative and no, I dont think they will be anywhere near as bad as this lot. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 3, 2024 15:42:45 GMT
Pie being spot on as usual. I will postpone the tory one for balance.
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Post by Thor on Jul 3, 2024 16:10:27 GMT
Here is the tory one.
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Post by brentwoodo on Jul 3, 2024 18:00:30 GMT
I’ll be more than happy if Jeremy Corbyn loses his seat.
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Post by eca on Jul 3, 2024 19:50:08 GMT
There something very wrong with how democracy works
USA / Uk / Australia
All three countries have abysmal politicians.
It really gets me depressed knowing the quality of the people that want to represent us.
If I go for an interview in my profession I get scrutinised beyond what is reasonable and my cv gets questioned over decades.
Look at some of their cv it’s just beyond pathetic.
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Post by Thor on Jul 3, 2024 21:52:34 GMT
It’s not just in those countries either, look across all major countries and you will find the same situation. It’s almost like it’s by design.
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Post by eca on Jul 4, 2024 0:04:05 GMT
Right wing are going well in France
Trump he panders to the thick bigots
Farage - what a wonderful gift of the gab similar to Trump going around the seaside towns which through economic decline pander the types that will die for him
Farage goes on repeatedly about the career he “ gave up “ for political life but he fails to remind people that the he gets a handsome pension as a previous Euo MP.
I want normal, intelligent well balanced humans who were technically trained in some worth while profession and demonstrate some decent stable work history.
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Post by kbola on Jul 4, 2024 5:06:04 GMT
Yes that's right. Farage, like many before him, panders to the fears of the unprivileged in society, that they can blame all their problems on someone else. In 30s Germany it was the Jews now in the UK its immigrants and brown people. Unfortunately his followers don't see him for the incredibly wealthy and privileged snake oil salesman that he is and listen to his nonsense just like they fell for his lies about BREXIT
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Post by Thor on Jul 4, 2024 6:47:38 GMT
Yes that's right. Farage, like many before him, panders to the fears of the unprivileged in society, that they can blame all their problems on someone else. In 30s Germany it was the Jews now in the UK its immigrants and brown people. Unfortunately his followers don't see him for the incredibly wealthy and privileged snake oil salesman that he is and listen to his nonsense just like they fell for his lies about BREXIT still banging on about brexit, just respect the democratic right of the people. Just like I will respect Labour winning power today, I don't like it, won't like what they do, but the majority voted for them so my voice was heard just not loud enough. My ballet paper said - NONE OF THE ABOVE If you look at Farage he is appealing to lots of people for different reasons. Immigration Raising starting taxation on earnings to £20k Raising taxation on earnings to £70k for 40p bracket VAT starting rate raised to £150k All front line NHS staff pay no tax for 3 years Law and order 300 police officers per 100k of people Bashing the banks and making them pay Stamp duty scrapped up to £750k Inheritance tax scrapped up to £2m Fuel duty reduced by 20p Ban ULEZ and scrap 20mph zones There is a whole lot more common sense policies being put forwards, some could be considered throw away as they would not have to implement them as they won't form a government. However, they appeal to loads of different people for different reasons. So you can't just label him as you have cos that's easy, debate his policies, at least they put them out there. I still don't know what labour stand for as they refuse to talk about them for fear of the mask slipping. |
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Post by watfordo on Jul 4, 2024 7:02:10 GMT
Up early and cycled to the polling office. Decided not to do a postal vote as I wanted to give my verdict on the last 14 years personally.
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Post by Nick312 on Jul 4, 2024 7:04:39 GMT
Yes that's right. Farage, like many before him, panders to the fears of the unprivileged in society, that they can blame all their problems on someone else. In 30s Germany it was the Jews now in the UK its immigrants and brown people. Unfortunately his followers don't see him for the incredibly wealthy and privileged snake oil salesman that he is and listen to his nonsense just like they fell for his lies about BREXIT Vote Kbola: Monster Remaining Looney Party. |
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Post by watfordo on Jul 4, 2024 7:04:40 GMT
Yes that's right. Farage, like many before him, panders to the fears of the unprivileged in society, that they can blame all their problems on someone else. In 30s Germany it was the Jews now in the UK its immigrants and brown people. Unfortunately his followers don't see him for the incredibly wealthy and privileged snake oil salesman that he is and listen to his nonsense just like they fell for his lies about BREXIT still banging on about brexit, just respect the democratic right of the people. Just like I will respect Labour winning power today, I don't like it, won't like what they do, but the majority voted for them so my voice was heard just not loud enough. My ballet paper said - NONE OF THE ABOVE If you look at Farage he is appealing to lots of people for different reasons. Immigration Raising starting taxation on earnings to £20k Raising taxation on earnings to £70k for 40p bracket VAT starting rate raised to £150k All front line NHS staff pay no tax for 3 years Law and order 300 police officers per 100k of people Bashing the banks and making them pay Stamp duty scrapped up to £750k Inheritance tax scrapped up to £2m Fuel duty reduced by 20p Ban ULEZ and scrap 20mph zones There is a whole lot more common sense policies being put forwards, some could be considered throw away as they would not have to implement them as they won't form a government. However, they appeal to loads of different people for different reasons. So you can't just label him as you have cos that's easy, debate his policies, at least they put them out there. I still don't know what labour stand for as they refuse to talk about them for fear of the mask slipping. I think the brexit debate moved on many years ago from who won the vote to who won the argument. |
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Post by buffalobill on Jul 4, 2024 7:07:02 GMT
Yes that's right. Farage, like many before him, panders to the fears of the unprivileged in society, that they can blame all their problems on someone else. In 30s Germany it was the Jews now in the UK its immigrants and brown people. Unfortunately his followers don't see him for the incredibly wealthy and privileged snake oil salesman that he is and listen to his nonsense just like they fell for his lies about BREXIT still banging on about brexit, just respect the democratic right of the people. Just like I will respect Labour winning power today, I don't like it, won't like what they do, but the majority voted for them so my voice was heard just not loud enough. My ballet paper said - NONE OF THE ABOVE If you look at Farage he is appealing to lots of people for different reasons. Immigration Raising starting taxation on earnings to £20k Raising taxation on earnings to £70k for 40p bracket VAT starting rate raised to £150k All front line NHS staff pay no tax for 3 years Law and order 300 police officers per 100k of people Bashing the banks and making them pay Stamp duty scrapped up to £750k Inheritance tax scrapped up to £2m Fuel duty reduced by 20p Ban ULEZ and scrap 20mph zones There is a whole lot more common sense policies being put forwards, some could be considered throw away as they would not have to implement them as they won't form a government. However, they appeal to loads of different people for different reasons. So you can't just label him as you have cos that's easy, debate his policies, at least they put them out there. I still don't know what labour stand for as they refuse to talk about them for fear of the mask slipping. Pie in the sky manifesto. As the Institute of Fiscal Studies says, their proposals do not add up. ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-uk-manifesto-reaction |
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Post by watfordo on Jul 4, 2024 7:13:10 GMT
Exactly. Pie in the sky, jam today and tomorrow nonsense. The ulez and 20mph stuff is just thrown in as red meat. Bonkers stuff.
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Post by kendoddsdadsdogsdead on Jul 4, 2024 9:24:18 GMT
still banging on about brexit, just respect the democratic right of the people. Just like I will respect Labour winning power today, I don't like it, won't like what they do, but the majority voted for them so my voice was heard just not loud enough. My ballet paper said - NONE OF THE ABOVE If you look at Farage he is appealing to lots of people for different reasons. Immigration Raising starting taxation on earnings to £20k Raising taxation on earnings to £70k for 40p bracket VAT starting rate raised to £150k All front line NHS staff pay no tax for 3 years Law and order 300 police officers per 100k of people Bashing the banks and making them pay Stamp duty scrapped up to £750k Inheritance tax scrapped up to £2m Fuel duty reduced by 20p Ban ULEZ and scrap 20mph zones There is a whole lot more common sense policies being put forwards, some could be considered throw away as they would not have to implement them as they won't form a government. However, they appeal to loads of different people for different reasons. So you can't just label him as you have cos that's easy, debate his policies, at least they put them out there. I still don't know what labour stand for as they refuse to talk about them for fear of the mask slipping. Pie in the sky manifesto. As the Institute of Fiscal Studies says, their proposals do not add up. ifs.org.uk/articles/reform-uk-manifesto-reactionTbf the IFS said that Labours didn't add up either leaving an £80b black hole. Let's not lecture each other on who we should or shouldn't vote for. As I said to someone yesterday, you haven't walked a mile in that person's shoes,and they've not walked a mile in yours. Your vote is a result of your own life journey. Vote with your own beliefs and don't be controlled on how to vote by journalists. I've been alive since Harold MacMillan was PM and I always say to people if we are having a political chat, go and listen to Ralph McTell 'Streets Of London' and really listen to the words. That song was written in the 60s during Harold Wilsons reign , in truth it could have been written this morning . It sums up the inaction of both parties despite both having decades in power since then . |
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Post by eca on Jul 4, 2024 10:00:38 GMT
Good luck to all you British based citizens that vote today
Whoever wins I hope they assist the majority of society to improve life and your prosperity.
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Post by Nick312 on Jul 4, 2024 10:17:18 GMT
Good luck to all you British based citizens that vote today Whoever wins I hope they assist the majority of society to improve life and your prosperity. Thank you. As usual elections here are full of false promises, mad accusations, dirty tricks and media manipulation from all sides. Much like the Brexit vote and, before that, the Scottish Independence vote. I doubt if much will change. The state institutions will grab more control over most individuals, most of us will become more reliant on "help from the government", some will become staggeringly rich and trust in governing institutions and public bodies will dip further. It hasn't really affected me too much. My garden is blooming, the pond teaming with newts, my little business potters on with my regular customers, who supply tea and cakes regardless and my little ones plunging themselves into exponential debt at university whilst have a raving time. Pip pip. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 4, 2024 10:24:16 GMT
Then again they also say the tory proposals have a black hole smaller than the others but there nethertheless. Labour has a massive black hole of 38 or 40 billion?
We all know that no matter who will be in power our taxes are going up. Not direct taxes but everything else seems like its up for being raised.
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Post by billk53 on Jul 4, 2024 11:29:58 GMT
Tbf the IFS said that Labours didn't add up either leaving an £80b black hole. Let's not lecture each other on who we should or shouldn't vote for. As I said to someone yesterday, you haven't walked a mile in that person's shoes,and they've not walked a mile in yours. Your vote is a result of your own life journey. Vote with your own beliefs and don't be controlled on how to vote by journalists. I've been alive since Harold MacMillan was PM and I always say to people if we are having a political chat, go and listen to Ralph McTell 'Streets Of London' and really listen to the words. That song was written in the 60s during Harold Wilsons reign , in truth it could have been written this morning . It sums up the inaction of both parties despite both having decades in power since then . That song can move me to tears |
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Post by fortissimo on Jul 4, 2024 11:36:17 GMT
Anyone put a bet on?
The Bookies aren't givin much away
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