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Post by dohnut on Jul 5, 2024 12:50:02 GMT
Well the inevitable happened. Looking at percentages not a massive shift to Labour but a massive shift away from the Tories. Same scenario when Boris beat Corbyn. It’s a vote reflecting who they don’t want rather than who they do want.
So what next.
1-2 years of blaming no progress on the mess they inherited. Standard for any incoming party after a change of colour
A myriad of tax hikes, generally subtle/hidden ones. Brown was an expert in this area
Unions pushing for this or that benefit.
Labour introducing votes at 16 so they stay in power
Generally life going on as normal
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Post by billk53 on Jul 5, 2024 12:55:05 GMT
Who's next side two track four
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Post by watfordo on Jul 5, 2024 12:56:50 GMT
Well the inevitable happened. Looking at percentages not a massive shift to Labour but a massive shift away from the Tories. Same scenario when Boris beat Corbyn. It’s a vote reflecting who they don’t want rather than who they do want. So what next. 1-2 years of blaming no progress on the mess they inherited. Standard for any incoming party after a change of colour A myriad of tax hikes, generally subtle/hidden ones. Brown was an expert in this area Unions pushing for this or that benefit. Labour introducing votes at 16 so they stay in power Generally life going on as normal Your usual sunny optimistic viewpoint, I see! Personally, Id rather Starmer as PM than any of the Tory lot we have had going back to but not including John Major. Whatever happens, Starmer will steal less, have fewer cronies, put fewer 12 year olds in the House of Lords, kill fewer people with idiotic covid laws, will be involved in far less corruption, etc, etc. I like him and think he means well and has integrity. Lets give the guy a chance, eh? If hes great then we are all better off. |
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Post by fortissimo on Jul 5, 2024 13:17:10 GMT
SAME CIRCUS, DIFFERENT CLOWNS
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Post by dohnut on Jul 5, 2024 13:17:16 GMT
Well the inevitable happened. Looking at percentages not a massive shift to Labour but a massive shift away from the Tories. Same scenario when Boris beat Corbyn. It’s a vote reflecting who they don’t want rather than who they do want. So what next. 1-2 years of blaming no progress on the mess they inherited. Standard for any incoming party after a change of colour A myriad of tax hikes, generally subtle/hidden ones. Brown was an expert in this area Unions pushing for this or that benefit. Labour introducing votes at 16 so they stay in power Generally life going on as normal Your usual sunny optimistic viewpoint, I see! Personally, Id rather Starmer as PM than any of the Tory lot we have had going back to but not including John Major. Whatever happens, Starmer will steal less, have fewer cronies, put fewer 12 year olds in the House of Lords, kill fewer people with idiotic covid laws, will be involved in far less corruption, etc, etc. I like him and think he means well and has integrity. Let’s give the guy a chance, eh? If hes great then we are all better off. I’ve no issue with a Labour Government. I hope he does well for all our sakes. Just seen it all before. |
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Post by brentwoodo on Jul 5, 2024 13:19:08 GMT
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Post by alfresco on Jul 5, 2024 14:14:12 GMT
Fact: More people voted for Labour in 2017 and 2019, under Corbyn, than voted Labour yesterday under Starmer
Let that sink in for a moment
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Post by watfordo on Jul 5, 2024 14:15:42 GMT
Fact: More people voted for Labour in 2017 and 2019, under Corbyn, than voted Labour yesterday under Starmer Let that sink in for a moment Yep. Great stat that. |
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Post by Thor on Jul 5, 2024 14:37:31 GMT
Well the inevitable happened. Looking at percentages not a massive shift to Labour but a massive shift away from the Tories. Same scenario when Boris beat Corbyn. It’s a vote reflecting who they don’t want rather than who they do want. So what next. 1-2 years of blaming no progress on the mess they inherited. Standard for any incoming party after a change of colour A myriad of tax hikes, generally subtle/hidden ones. Brown was an expert in this area Unions pushing for this or that benefit. Labour introducing votes at 16 so they stay in power Generally life going on as normal Your usual sunny optimistic viewpoint, I see! Personally, Id rather Starmer as PM than any of the Tory lot we have had going back to but not including John Major. Whatever happens, Starmer will steal less, have fewer cronies, put fewer 12 year olds in the House of Lords, kill fewer people with idiotic covid laws, will be involved in far less corruption, etc, etc. I like him and think he means well and has integrity. Lets give the guy a chance, eh? If hes great then we are all better off. the left of the party are already calling for more money for the welfare state. Yes they need help, but lets get the loafers back to work surely. Oh and Jellyfish wanted an even harder and longer lockdown so he would have failed us more than the tories did. Its not going to be pretty that's for sure. Like you say, let's give him a chance, but I fancy he will be out after one parliament. |
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Post by watfordo on Jul 5, 2024 14:47:30 GMT
Your usual sunny optimistic viewpoint, I see! Personally, Id rather Starmer as PM than any of the Tory lot we have had going back to but not including John Major. Whatever happens, Starmer will steal less, have fewer cronies, put fewer 12 year olds in the House of Lords, kill fewer people with idiotic covid laws, will be involved in far less corruption, etc, etc. I like him and think he means well and has integrity. Lets give the guy a chance, eh? If hes great then we are all better off. the left of the party are already calling for more money for the welfare state. Yes they need help, but lets get the loafers back to work surely. Oh and Jellyfish wanted an even harder and longer lockdown so he would have failed us more than the tories did. Its not going to be pretty that's for sure. Like you say, let's give him a chance, but I fancy he will be out after one parliament. It wasnt the length of the covid lockdown I was referring to. |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 5, 2024 15:34:39 GMT
Fact: More people voted for Labour in 2017 and 2019, under Corbyn, than voted Labour yesterday under Starmer Let that sink in for a moment Sort of what I was trying to say when talking about not a massive shift. Other than away from the Tories and the SNP. But given our system it’s enough. And has worked for both sides in the past. So no complaints from me. |
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Post by mujtahido on Jul 5, 2024 15:54:29 GMT
I'm not really excited about politics but what i will say is the Conservative government deserved everything they got.Greedy crooked and liars and that's only the cabinet.Lets hope Labour can do better
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Post by dohnut on Jul 5, 2024 16:03:32 GMT
I'm not really excited about politics but what i will say is the Conservative government deserved everything they got.Greedy crooked and liars and that's only the cabinet.Lets hope Labour can do better Sadly I don’t see too much difference between the parties. All have their share of good and bad. Not so long ago a Labour lady needed security at the party conference because of threats. But let’s see. |
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Post by Fisch on Jul 5, 2024 16:34:42 GMT
One of our women players, Tara Copeland, stood for the LibDems in Leyton/Wanstead seat. She got close to 3,000 votes but was a long way short of the incumbent Labour candidate.
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Post by kbola on Jul 5, 2024 17:07:57 GMT
Well the inevitable happened. Looking at percentages not a massive shift to Labour but a massive shift away from the Tories. Same scenario when Boris beat Corbyn. It’s a vote reflecting who they don’t want rather than who they do want. So what next. 1-2 years of blaming no progress on the mess they inherited. Standard for any incoming party after a change of colour A myriad of tax hikes, generally subtle/hidden ones. Brown was an expert in this area Unions pushing for this or that benefit. Labour introducing votes at 16 so they stay in power Generally life going on as normal Your usual sunny optimistic viewpoint, I see! Personally, Id rather Starmer as PM than any of the Tory lot we have had going back to but not including John Major. Whatever happens, Starmer will steal less, have fewer cronies, put fewer 12 year olds in the House of Lords, kill fewer people with idiotic covid laws, will be involved in far less corruption, etc, etc. I like him and think he means well and has integrity. Lets give the guy a chance, eh? If hes great then we are all better off. Spot on |
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Post by kbola on Jul 5, 2024 17:09:14 GMT
One of our women players, Tara Copeland, stood for the LibDems in Leyton/Wanstead seat. She got close to 3,000 votes but was a long way short of the incumbent Labour candidate. Same where I live. Labour are almost unbeatable in many parts of London unless your name is Jeremy Corbyn |
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Post by Nick312 on Jul 5, 2024 18:13:44 GMT
I don't think Starmer will win. That view surprises the hell out of me. Would be the shock of all election shocks. Even though he has the charisma of cold custard. I think its just a question of how big his majority will be. If you are right I will doff my cap to you. I was a bit out there. I hope bighorn didn't put too much on it. And it saves you doffing your cap to me. Maybe next time. |
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Post by dohnut on Jul 6, 2024 13:23:14 GMT
Starmer did OK with his first QandA session. Plenty of positive rhetoric of course, plenty of work to do, usual hints at the mess they inherited. The odd stumble when faced with a decent question. So now we wait for the rhetoric to become action and for those actions to deliver results, which will of course take time so he’s got that covered.
But a new face at the top and I love his country before party position. Be interested to see how that goes. But as I say, a decent enough start.
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Post by kbola on Jul 6, 2024 16:55:49 GMT
Ooh look at dohnut the big Labour luvvie 😁
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Post by dohnut on Jul 6, 2024 17:23:40 GMT
Ooh look at dohnut the big Labour luvvie 😁 I’ve voted Labour more than Tory. My background is working class Labour supporting. Not my fault they’ve been led by idiots over recent times. |
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