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Post by watfordo on May 26, 2024 12:10:58 GMT
Dear oh dear,but hang on to the last days of democracy.Tories have been atonable for sure,they became Blairite,you know the man who took us to war with lies. I think the Tories are so far removed from the centralist Blair. I think the current Tories are closer to Farage, who is closer to Trump. Blair will forever be damned by the Iraq war, rightly, and that will overshadow the good things he did. Starmer is closer to Blair than any of the candidates. If he can give us Blair without the war then most will be happy. |
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Post by watfordo on May 26, 2024 12:15:06 GMT
I have no issue with 16 year olds voting but think it should be weighted - so worth less than an 18 year olds. Id couple it with education on our political system and constitution. Those that pass get a say, albeit reduced. So a vote could be worth 60% for a 16 year old and 75% for a 17 year old. Inclusion has to be a good thing.
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Post by redshank on May 26, 2024 12:27:31 GMT
I despair,I have had many socialist governments in my lifetime and all have bought total country wrecking policies.Remember Brown taking the 10% tax on the lower paid and increased it to the normal tax rate.Plundered the private pension scheme the best in the world and ruined that.Was in charge when the banking collapsed in this country through not understanding sub prime mortgage debt and thought of printing money and giving it to the banks allowing .001 % on savings.That is coming home to roost now and the worlds debts are in the trillions.Socialists
are always poor with other peoples money and eventually the pot runs dry.
I have never heard a Labour policy that would get my vote.
However if they get into power I will remain a law abiding citizen ad will have to go along with the democratic vote.Unlike many who undermined the vote to leave the EU and have done their best to delay and usurp that leave majority vote.The dystopia of the here and now will worsen and big trouble worldwide is ahead.Most of Europe has turned to the right and Britain a small c conservative country is going ultra left.
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Post by kbola on May 26, 2024 15:05:45 GMT
The old 'boomer' generation who were easily led into voting for brexit by Cummings and his chums are becoming less relevant with each passing year.
The new generations who inherit the mantle of power will hopefully move to reverse the mistakes and as a lead RejoinEU campaigner I will be marching centre.
We are the future 🇬🇧 🇪🇺
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Post by watfordo on May 26, 2024 15:15:25 GMT
I despair,I have had many socialist governments in my lifetime and all have bought total country wrecking policies.Remember Brown taking the 10% tax on the lower paid and increased it to the normal tax rate.Plundered the private pension scheme the best in the world and ruined that.Was in charge when the banking collapsed in this country through not understanding sub prime mortgage debt and thought of printing money and giving it to the banks allowing .001 % on savings.That is coming home to roost now and the worlds debts are in the trillions.Socialists are always poor with other peoples money and eventually the pot runs dry. I have never heard a Labour policy that would get my vote. However if they get into power I will remain a law abiding citizen ad will have to go along with the democratic vote.Unlike many who undermined the vote to leave the EU and have done their best to delay and usurp that leave majority vote.The dystopia of the here and now will worsen and big trouble worldwide is ahead.Most of Europe has turned to the right and Britain a small c conservative country is going ultra left. I love your posts on music but will agree to disagree on politics. Said with maximum respect for your point of view. |
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Post by dohnut on May 26, 2024 15:40:10 GMT
I despair,I have had many socialist governments in my lifetime and all have bought total country wrecking policies.Remember Brown taking the 10% tax on the lower paid and increased it to the normal tax rate.Plundered the private pension scheme the best in the world and ruined that.Was in charge when the banking collapsed in this country through not understanding sub prime mortgage debt and thought of printing money and giving it to the banks allowing .001 % on savings.That is coming home to roost now and the worlds debts are in the trillions.Socialists are always poor with other peoples money and eventually the pot runs dry. I have never heard a Labour policy that would get my vote. However if they get into power I will remain a law abiding citizen ad will have to go along with the democratic vote.Unlike many who undermined the vote to leave the EU and have done their best to delay and usurp that leave majority vote.The dystopia of the here and now will worsen and big trouble worldwide is ahead.Most of Europe has turned to the right and Britain a small c conservative country is going ultra left. Not too sure it’s possible to draw such fine distinction. Both parties have had their share of good and bad. But right now, in fact for a while, neither party has managed to have a leader that inspires, well inspires me anyway. |
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Post by billk53 on May 26, 2024 16:07:09 GMT
Nazis sent man to the moon, just to point out. Pray explain |
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Post by watfordo on May 26, 2024 16:22:14 GMT
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Post by billk53 on May 26, 2024 18:11:13 GMT
I am prepared to concede that you have a point. |
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Post by Thor on May 26, 2024 18:11:53 GMT
The older generation and a bit before me were responsible for sending man to the moon and launching Voyagers 1&2 which are still doing a job 15 billion miles away and were launched in the early 70s with a computer hundreds of time less powerful than the chips in todays phones. One day when your life is turned around by politics you will understand what our worry is.Not for ourselves but the future for the children of the country. The whole western world is at a grave turning point. Nazis sent man to the moon, just to point out. We can't get to the moon now, so no chance we went there in a spaceship with less computer power than an £10 digital watch. |
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Post by watfordo on May 26, 2024 18:24:54 GMT
Nazis sent man to the moon, just to point out. We can't get to the moon now, so no chance we went there in a spaceship with less computer power than an £10 digital watch. Yeah. We did |
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Post by kbola on May 26, 2024 19:49:50 GMT
Nazis sent man to the moon, just to point out. We can't get to the moon now, so no chance we went there in a spaceship with less computer power than an £10 digital watch. Oh dear 🫣 |
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Post by dennisrofe on May 26, 2024 20:37:29 GMT
All of them are very very poor. Does not matter who gets in, we will be run by a team that could not run a small company properly. Sunak and Hunt could run company's, cant see Starmer able to do that though. |
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Post by dennisrofe on May 26, 2024 20:38:53 GMT
Getting tired of it already.Don't like the idea of 16 year olds voting though. Labour idea so that they can get extra votes. |
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Post by dennisrofe on May 26, 2024 20:54:21 GMT
I despair,I have had many socialist governments in my lifetime and all have bought total country wrecking policies.Remember Brown taking the 10% tax on the lower paid and increased it to the normal tax rate.Plundered the private pension scheme the best in the world and ruined that.Was in charge when the banking collapsed in this country through not understanding sub prime mortgage debt and thought of printing money and giving it to the banks allowing .001 % on savings.That is coming home to roost now and the worlds debts are in the trillions.Socialists are always poor with other peoples money and eventually the pot runs dry. I have never heard a Labour policy that would get my vote. However if they get into power I will remain a law abiding citizen ad will have to go along with the democratic vote.Unlike many who undermined the vote to leave the EU and have done their best to delay and usurp that leave majority vote.The dystopia of the here and now will worsen and big trouble worldwide is ahead.Most of Europe has turned to the right and Britain a small c conservative country is going ultra left. Remember who was the last Labour chancellor of note. Step forward, Gordon Brown.. For while, the so-called Iron Chancellor could do no wrong. He helped secure Tony Blair's electoral landslide in 1997 by pledging to stick to Tory spending plans for the first two years after a New Labour victory. He did this because voters widely expected Brown to go on a spending spree, like so many Labour chancellors before him, and bankrupt the country. Brown stuck to his pledge but made other errors. Three in particular spring to mind. And we are all still feeling the consequences today.
The first came almost instantly after his appointment, when Brown launched a stealth tax raid on the nation's pensions, by scrapping tax relief on dividends. His spiteful move destroyed gold-plated workplace final salary pensions, by making them too expensive for companies to run. At last count, this has ripped around £200billion out of the nation's pensions. Millions of workers face a far poorer retirement as a result. The money raised was frittered away on a host of pet New Labour projects, none of which achieved much.
Brown's second howler has also cost us a fortune. Some of you will know what's coming and will already be cringing in anticipation. In his arrogance, Gordon Brown decided that he knew how to time markets, and decided it was the perfect moment to dump more than half of the nation's gold reserves. After 4,000 years acting as a store of value, gold was finished and Britain would be better off without it, Brown thought. He began selling gold 25 years ago this month, in May 1999. At the time, the gold price was at a 20-year low of around $282 (£225) an ounce. Brown made a hash of the sale, too, signalling that the UK was about to flood the market with supply, which drove the price even lower. In total, the Bank of England sold 395 tonnes of gold at an average price of $276 an ounce, pocketing $3.5bn.
And his third huge error? After ditching Tory spending constraints, Brown went on a spree after all, pumping up the economy in preparation for the day when he replaced Tony Blair as Prime Minister. He assured us that he had put an end to boom and bust, a laughable claim, because nobody ever will.
At the height of a combined banking and property market bubble, Brown was running a three percent Budget deficit.
Brown wasn't to blame for the great financial crisis of 2007-09. But he was to blame for leaving us totally exposed.
Three huge howlers. I can't bear to think how many trillions they have cost us.
We can only hope that Labour shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves won't prove as error-prone if she takes charge of the nation's finances in the months ahead.
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Post by Nick312 on May 26, 2024 20:54:53 GMT
The old 'boomer' generation who were easily led into voting for brexit by Cummings and his chums are becoming less relevant with each passing year. The new generations who inherit the mantle of power will hopefully move to reverse the mistakes and as a lead RejoinEU campaigner I will be marching centre. We are the future 🇬🇧 🇪🇺 That's the saddest thing I've read,so immature. One of the biggest policies coming out of the Starmer camp is that there will be no return to the EU. So who are you going to vote for? |
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Post by Fisch on May 27, 2024 5:01:53 GMT
Even the Lib-Dems (are they still called that?) don't have 're-join' in their manifesto - which l find inexplicable. Is that such a vote losing position over there?
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Post by alfresco on May 27, 2024 9:05:30 GMT
Even the Lib-Dems (are they still called that?) don't have 're-join' in their manifesto - which l find inexplicable. Is that such a vote losing position over there? I didnt think any of the parties had produced their manifesto at the present time? Correct me if im wrong |
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Post by kbola on May 27, 2024 9:59:15 GMT
The old 'boomer' generation who were easily led into voting for brexit by Cummings and his chums are becoming less relevant with each passing year. The new generations who inherit the mantle of power will hopefully move to reverse the mistakes and as a lead RejoinEU campaigner I will be marching centre. We are the future 🇬🇧 🇪🇺 That's the saddest thing I've read,so immature. One of the biggest policies coming out of the Starmer camp is that there will be no return to the EU. So who are you going to vote for? Grow up. Oh wait you're already way old grandad lolz |
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Post by alfresco on May 27, 2024 10:46:20 GMT
I've seen two opinion polls lately, saying around 70% of the electorate would vote to rejoin the EU if there were a referendum, therefore I'm very surprised no parties at all have included this as something they would implement.
This would be a real vote winner I reckon, so very surprising
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