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Post by dennisrofe on May 27, 2024 11:39:40 GMT
I've seen two opinion polls lately, saying around 70% of the electorate would vote to rejoin the EU if there were a referendum, therefore I'm very surprised no parties at all have included this as something they would implement. This would be a real vote winner I reckon, so very surprising Brexit has NOT at all been the disaster that the pro EU camp claimed and HOPED it would be !! On the other hand it has NOT the outright success that the vote for Brexit camp claimed and HOPED it would be !! Much of that can be put down to the blocking actions of the un-elected House of Lords, pro EU civil servants and the vast majority of opposition MPs of all parties.
Labour party and the house of Lords especially give the very strong impression of being very against any plans to try to stop illegal immigration into the UK. WE are no longer in the EU so should have left the European Court of Human Rights in the years that followed the referendum to leave the EU.
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Post by alfresco on May 27, 2024 11:48:56 GMT
I've seen two opinion polls lately, saying around 70% of the electorate would vote to rejoin the EU if there were a referendum, therefore I'm very surprised no parties at all have included this as something they would implement. This would be a real vote winner I reckon, so very surprising Brexit has NOT at all been the disaster that the pro EU camp claimed and HOPED it would be !! On the other hand it has NOT the outright success that the vote for Brexit camp claimed and HOPED it would be !! Much of that can be put down to the blocking actions of the un-elected House of Lords, pro EU civil servants and the vast majority of opposition MPs of all parties.
Labour party and the house of Lords especially give the very strong impression of being very against any plans to try to stop illegal immigration into the UK. WE are no longer in the EU so should have left the European Court of Human Rights in the years that followed the referendum to leave the EU.
The European Court of human Rights, has nothing to do with the EU. Britain was in the ECHR from the early 50's, way before we were in the Common Market ( as it was then called). Every country in geographical Europe is a member of the ECHR, except Russia, & Belarus. Only tyrannical leaders dont want their country as members of it , and that in itself says a lot Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster, as most of us who voted remain knew it would be. Economically, its been a real disaster. Its not kept illegal immigration number down as most who voted Brexit were hoping,and there really isnt a single benefit, that we would miss if we rejoined |
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Post by Fisch on May 27, 2024 11:54:37 GMT
Even the Lib-Dems (are they still called that?) don't have 're-join' in their manifesto - which l find inexplicable. Is that such a vote losing position over there? I didnt think any of the parties had produced their manifesto at the present time? Correct me if im wrong I have no idea Alfresco, I've been away 19 years so kinda lost touch. |
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Post by dennisrofe on May 27, 2024 12:00:07 GMT
Brexit has NOT at all been the disaster that the pro EU camp claimed and HOPED it would be !! On the other hand it has NOT the outright success that the vote for Brexit camp claimed and HOPED it would be !! Much of that can be put down to the blocking actions of the un-elected House of Lords, pro EU civil servants and the vast majority of opposition MPs of all parties.
Labour party and the house of Lords especially give the very strong impression of being very against any plans to try to stop illegal immigration into the UK. WE are no longer in the EU so should have left the European Court of Human Rights in the years that followed the referendum to leave the EU.
The European Court of human Rights, has nothing to do with the EU. Britain was in the ECHR from the early 50's, way before we were in the Common Market ( as it was then called). Every country in geographical Europe is a member of the ECHR, except Russia, & Belarus. Only tyrannical leaders dont want their country as members of it , and that in itself says a lot Brexit has been an unmitigated disaster, as most of us who voted remain knew it would be. Economically, its been a real disaster. I have friends in Germany who are not stop complaining about the state of their country at present, same complaints as we get in the UK. Price rises on fuel, food energy prices immigration and crime. Ukraine war and Covid has much to answer for and has affected countries the world over. Many times the ECHR has frustrated and blocked decisions made in this country to deport criminals and illegal immigrants. Rulings made in the 1950s, times have changed since then and many different circumstances to then and now. |
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Post by kbola on May 27, 2024 12:35:25 GMT
I've seen two opinion polls lately, saying around 70% of the electorate would vote to rejoin the EU if there were a referendum, therefore I'm very surprised no parties at all have included this as something they would implement. This would be a real vote winner I reckon, so very surprising Absolutely correct Alfresco. The noise to rejoin will only grow as the younger more Liberal generations come to power. Even the BREXITEERS will struggle to name a BREXIT benefit except their beloved blue passports ( made in France). |
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Post by redshank on May 27, 2024 12:46:26 GMT
I despair,I have had many socialist governments in my lifetime and all have bought total country wrecking policies.Remember Brown taking the 10% tax on the lower paid and increased it to the normal tax rate.Plundered the private pension scheme the best in the world and ruined that.Was in charge when the banking collapsed in this country through not understanding sub prime mortgage debt and thought of printing money and giving it to the banks allowing .001 % on savings.That is coming home to roost now and the worlds debts are in the trillions.Socialists are always poor with other peoples money and eventually the pot runs dry. I have never heard a Labour policy that would get my vote. However if they get into power I will remain a law abiding citizen ad will have to go along with the democratic vote.Unlike many who undermined the vote to leave the EU and have done their best to delay and usurp that leave majority vote.The dystopia of the here and now will worsen and big trouble worldwide is ahead.Most of Europe has turned to the right and Britain a small c conservative country is going ultra left. I love your posts on music but will agree to disagree on politics. Said with maximum respect for your point of view. The way it should be watfordo,politics now is far too confrontational now,but at some point even the most quiet bite as I do if I see anything that insults the intelligence.My generation is not called the quiet generation for nothing. |
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Post by Thor on May 27, 2024 13:32:55 GMT
Fastest growing economy in Europe
Fastest growing in the g7
Lowest inflation rate as well
Low unemployed rate
Things could be better but joining the EU is not one of them.
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Post by dohnut on May 27, 2024 13:51:58 GMT
I've seen two opinion polls lately, saying around 70% of the electorate would vote to rejoin the EU if there were a referendum, therefore I'm very surprised no parties at all have included this as something they would implement. This would be a real vote winner I reckon, so very surprising Absolutely correct Alfresco. The noise to rejoin will only grow as the younger more Liberal generations come to power. Even the BREXITEERS will struggle to name a BREXIT benefit except their beloved blue passports ( made in France). People who continue to say that don’t say for real reasons, just ideology. |
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Post by dohnut on May 27, 2024 13:52:58 GMT
Fastest growing economy in Europe Fastest growing in the g7 Lowest inflation rate as well Low unemployed rate Things could be better but joining the EU is not one of them. Add to that levels of exports now we can negotiate trade deals ourselves. |
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Post by redshank on May 27, 2024 14:22:24 GMT
I've seen two opinion polls lately, saying around 70% of the electorate would vote to rejoin the EU if there were a referendum, therefore I'm very surprised no parties at all have included this as something they would implement. This would be a real vote winner I reckon, so very surprising Absolutely correct Alfresco. The noise to rejoin will only grow as the younger more Liberal generations come to power. Even the BREXITEERS will struggle to name a BREXIT benefit except their beloved blue passports ( made in France). In my best Vincent Price voice,nonsense.Remainers mention the Blue Passport,those that voted leave and won with a majority never do.Denying democracy does not sit well with conservative Britain. |
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Post by alfresco on May 27, 2024 14:40:49 GMT
its almost a certainty, that we will rejoin the EU......its just when it will be.
5 years?, 10 years? 20 years? 40 years? who knows, but it will happen
Younger generations are more 'fluid' and see themselves as Europeans, and Nationalism is on the wane with youngsters
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Post by redshank on May 27, 2024 17:12:00 GMT
Not in Europe it ain't just the opposite.Many of us have seen the results of 20th century socialism,over 100 million killed by the state.A history that today is not taught,just hid away under the guise of right wing bogey men.
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Post by dohnut on May 27, 2024 18:16:46 GMT
its almost a certainty, that we will rejoin the EU......its just when it will be. 5 years?, 10 years? 20 years? 40 years? who knows, but it will happen Younger generations are more 'fluid' and see themselves as Europeans, and Nationalism is on the wane with youngsters The real question is whether the EU will exist in its current form. Not too sure it will. I’m very pro-Europe. Positive about a common trading partnership. But it moved away from everything that was good towards a bureaucracy where individual people had not much say in. British politics may be in a poor state but at least we get the chance to vote for whatever idiots run the asylum. There is no democracy in Brussels. Almost like a dictatorship. people talk about what we lose being out. I’d like to know what we got by being in that we miss out on now in any significant way. All the post Brexit irritations Are being eroded away. |
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Post by dennisrofe on May 27, 2024 19:02:09 GMT
Fastest growing economy in Europe Fastest growing in the g7 Lowest inflation rate as well Low unemployed rate Things could be better but joining the EU is not one of them. So where is this Brexi disaster that alfresco speaks of ? Remainers are WANTING it to be a disaster but it ''aint'' happening which annoys them even more so !
Talk of rejoining the EU is fanciful nonsense. Many countries in the EU are starting to think of leaving it unless it reforms drastically. My friend in Germany tells me that many of her friends are against any more immigrants coming in from North Africa and much the same complaints as we hear here in UK, rising prices of food, energy prices etc. Remainers and people in general fail to take into consideration ( or dont want to !! ) the worldwide crippling economic effects of the Ukraine war and the 2 years of the Covid pandemic. If we did try to rejoin the EU again, the terms would not be as good as last time. As I understand it, Mrs Thatcher negotiated a yearly rebate on the amount we paid into the EU kitty and also we would have to give up our own currency and adopt the Euro, not a good idea at all !
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Post by dennisrofe on May 27, 2024 19:04:02 GMT
its almost a certainty, that we will rejoin the EU......its just when it will be. 5 years?, 10 years? 20 years? 40 years? who knows, but it will happen Younger generations are more 'fluid' and see themselves as Europeans, and Nationalism is on the wane with youngsters The real question is whether the EU will exist in its current form. Not too sure it will. I’m very pro-Europe. Positive about a common trading partnership. But it moved away from everything that was good towards a bureaucracy where individual people had not much say in. British politics may be in a poor state but at least we get the chance to vote for whatever idiots run the asylum. There is no democracy in Brussels. Almost like a dictatorship. people talk about what we lose being out. I’d like to know what we got by being in that we miss out on now in any significant way. All the post Brexit irritations Are being eroded away. Good commonsense post ! |
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Post by Nick312 on May 27, 2024 21:24:20 GMT
That's the saddest thing I've read,so immature. One of the biggest policies coming out of the Starmer camp is that there will be no return to the EU. So who are you going to vote for? Grow up. Oh wait you're already way old grandad lolz Loved your post. It supported the point I made on my previous post perfectly. Good luck! PS: I've still got a quarter of a century of graft to go before I retire and, hopefully enjoy being a grandad. And ..... ho ho ho ... I was one of the 30-odd percent who didn't vote in that toxic referendum. Not sure why you're getting so personal. |
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Post by Nick312 on May 27, 2024 21:30:15 GMT
its almost a certainty, that we will rejoin the EU......its just when it will be. 5 years?, 10 years? 20 years? 40 years? who knows, but it will happen Younger generations are more 'fluid' and see themselves as Europeans, and Nationalism is on the wane with youngsters It's difficult being neutral on the Eu/Brixit thing because the passion of the debate make fence sitters seem insensitive. Also, I'm not so sure that the idea that young people are favourable to the EU with the old being sceptical is true. Opinion polls can be fantastically inaccurate, particularly when derived from things like focus groups. European culture (as opposed to simply the EU members) tends to produce people who are rather private in their thoughts. Whenever I'm asked who I'm voting for outside a polling station I give the opposite answer. |
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Post by Nick312 on May 27, 2024 21:35:34 GMT
its almost a certainty, that we will rejoin the EU......its just when it will be. 5 years?, 10 years? 20 years? 40 years? who knows, but it will happen Younger generations are more 'fluid' and see themselves as Europeans, and Nationalism is on the wane with youngsters I believe younger generations are more likely to see themselves as "global members". I believe this might be more in Boris Johnson's world vision. The EU could be antiquated in 10 years time. It's beginning to look very jaded and overstretched. |
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Post by Thor on May 27, 2024 22:15:47 GMT
We are headed for a one world government under a totalitarian regime. It’s already authoritarian in this country and most of Europe. Most just can’t see it yet.
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Post by kbola on May 28, 2024 4:33:39 GMT
Fastest growing economy in Europe Fastest growing in the g7 Lowest inflation rate as well Low unemployed rate Things could be better but joining the EU is not one of them. So where is this Brexi disaster that alfresco speaks of ? Remainers are WANTING it to be a disaster but it ''aint'' happening which annoys them even more so !
Talk of rejoining the EU is fanciful nonsense. Many countries in the EU are starting to think of leaving it unless it reforms drastically. My friend in Germany tells me that many of her friends are against any more immigrants coming in from North Africa and much the same complaints as we hear here in UK, rising prices of food, energy prices etc. Remainers and people in general fail to take into consideration ( or dont want to !! ) the worldwide crippling economic effects of the Ukraine war and the 2 years of the Covid pandemic. If we did try to rejoin the EU again, the terms would not be as good as last time. As I understand it, Mrs Thatcher negotiated a yearly rebate on the amount we paid into the EU kitty and also we would have to give up our own currency and adopt the Euro, not a good idea at all !
Because these are not facts just BREXITEER propaganda |
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