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Post by watfordo on May 29, 2024 11:20:27 GMT
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Post by Fisch on May 29, 2024 17:55:31 GMT
It's turning into a riligio-fest. This is not the place for it.
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Post by kbola on May 29, 2024 19:07:39 GMT
Exactly. Let's get back to BREXITEERS vs Remainers 😁
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Post by Thor on May 29, 2024 20:16:28 GMT
Left v right!
The clued up v the clueless! 😂
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Post by watfordo on May 30, 2024 5:29:26 GMT
The Labour party, in its currently guise, is not left wing. They just appear so because the loons in the Tory party are trying to drag it ever more to the right.
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Post by Thor on May 30, 2024 7:24:28 GMT
This is the most socialist tory party I've seen in my lifetime. They are not Conservative at all which is one of the reason voters will desert them.
Still don't know what labour stand for though.
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Post by watfordo on May 30, 2024 8:54:26 GMT
This is the most socialist tory party I've seen in my lifetime. They are not Conservative at all which is one of the reason voters will desert them. Still don't know what labour stand for though. You definition of socialism must be very very different to mine. |
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Post by dohnut on May 30, 2024 9:04:47 GMT
This is the most socialist tory party I've seen in my lifetime. They are not Conservative at all which is one of the reason voters will desert them. Still don't know what labour stand for though. Interesting view. Lines blur of course but I don’t really see the Tories that way. but reverse with Blair, whom for many years I really liked, to many he was a Tory. Whether you see someone as right or left depends where you stand As for Labour. I have no idea what they stand for. Will find out over the next few weeks as they work it out |
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Post by watfordo on May 30, 2024 9:44:31 GMT
This is the most socialist tory party I've seen in my lifetime. They are not Conservative at all which is one of the reason voters will desert them. Still don't know what labour stand for though. Interesting view. Lines blur of course but I don’t really see the Tories that way. but reverse with Blair, whom for many years I really liked, to many he was a Tory. Whether you see someone as right or left depends where you stand As for Labour. I have no idea what they stand for. Will find out over the next few weeks as they work it out Maybe the Labour Party just stand on the ‘we’re not Tories’ box. For some thats enough - me included. That said, I think they made an error with the handing of Diane Abbott. Im certainly not a fan of hers but she’s no Corbyn. |
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Post by Thor on May 30, 2024 10:18:16 GMT
Likewise, I am not a fan of her's but she is being treated absolutely disgustingly. Jellyfish needs to hang his head in shame.
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Post by Nick312 on May 30, 2024 21:52:55 GMT
The left versus right model of politics doesn't really apply.
There are five clear parties in this election at present; two large ones, one more-established and two minor parties. Each party itself is a coalition. If you look at the issues they are fighting on then there is a lot of interchange. Within each party there are a variety of views on subjects such as the economy, taxation, national control of utilities, of the NHS, of the railway and on identity politics. There are more subjects too.
The fact that the parties do not have clearly distinct programmes, and quite often state that they will do the same as another party, implies that they realise that there is a broad consensus on the main issues in the country. Whatever the result of this general election I would expect little to change in terms of policies, simply changes in personal.
Going back to my assertion that Rishi will probably win, I believe that this is the essence of the state of things; the broad consensus will believe that the main issues will not change. Therefore why change the personel?
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Post by Nick312 on May 30, 2024 21:53:47 GMT
Likewise, I am not a fan of her's but she is being treated absolutely disgustingly. Jellyfish needs to hang his head in shame. There's a similar controversy in Woodford according to the news. |
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Post by kbola on May 31, 2024 5:17:41 GMT
No that's right never voted Labour in my life.
As a former local Conservative party officer and now a Liberal Democrat I doubt I ever will vote Labour
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Post by dohnut on May 31, 2024 18:18:35 GMT
Interesting view. Lines blur of course but I don’t really see the Tories that way. but reverse with Blair, whom for many years I really liked, to many he was a Tory. Whether you see someone as right or left depends where you stand As for Labour. I have no idea what they stand for. Will find out over the next few weeks as they work it out Maybe the Labour Party just stand on the ‘we’re not Tories’ box. For some thats enough - me included. That said, I think they made an error with the handing of Diane Abbott. Im certainly not a fan of hers but she’s no Corbyn. Not Tory is exactly why Labour will win. They don’t have to stand for anything in particular nor indeed get involved in one-to-one debates which Starmer bar two is avoiding. People will have 5 years of Starmer to consider the impact of their choice. I have no time and no respect for Diane Abbott. |
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Post by dohnut on May 31, 2024 18:30:51 GMT
No that's right never voted Labour in my life. As a former local Conservative party officer and now a Liberal Democrat I doubt I ever will vote Labour Struggle with the concept of only voting for one party, or never voting for another. I’ve been a Liberal, years ago, Labour and Tory voter. Take each election on its merits (the party leader). Liked Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Thatcher. Didn’t mind Cameron, disliked Brown and so on. Corbyn vs Boris a no-brainer, voted based on who I disliked the most and that was Corbyn. Rishi has let slip a decent opportunity, we all know how many difficulties faced over recent years and bye and large has done OK. Starmer is a wet lettuce and our, younger, version of Biden but without even his personality. I find it embarrassing that the world will see him as our leader. As our leader he will be, |
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Post by watfordo on May 31, 2024 19:19:36 GMT
No that's right never voted Labour in my life. As a former local Conservative party officer and now a Liberal Democrat I doubt I ever will vote Labour Struggle with the concept of only voting for one party, or never voting for another. I’ve been a Liberal, years ago, Labour and Tory voter. Take each election on its merits (the party leader). Liked Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Thatcher. Didn’t mind Cameron, disliked Brown and so on. Corbyn vs Boris a no-brainer, voted based on who I disliked the most and that was Corbyn. Rishi has let slip a decent opportunity, we all know how many difficulties faced over recent years and bye and large has done OK. Starmer is a wet lettuce and our, younger, version of Biden but without even his personality. I find it embarrassing that the world will see him as our leader. As our leader he will be, Not a chance I would have voted for a Boris purged Tory party. |
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Post by watfordo on May 31, 2024 19:21:19 GMT
Maybe the Labour Party just stand on the ‘we’re not Tories’ box. For some thats enough - me included. That said, I think they made an error with the handing of Diane Abbott. Im certainly not a fan of hers but she’s no Corbyn. Not Tory is exactly why Labour will win. They don’t have to stand for anything in particular nor indeed get involved in one-to-one debates which Starmer bar two is avoiding. People will have 5 years of Starmer to consider the impact of their choice. I have no time and no respect for Diane Abbott. Which shows you how utterly appalling the Tory party has been. |
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Post by watfordo on May 31, 2024 19:25:19 GMT
The left versus right model of politics doesn't really apply. There are five clear parties in this election at present; two large ones, one more-established and two minor parties. Each party itself is a coalition. If you look at the issues they are fighting on then there is a lot of interchange. Within each party there are a variety of views on subjects such as the economy, taxation, national control of utilities, of the NHS, of the railway and on identity politics. There are more subjects too. The fact that the parties do not have clearly distinct programmes, and quite often state that they will do the same as another party, implies that they realise that there is a broad consensus on the main issues in the country. Whatever the result of this general election I would expect little to change in terms of policies, simply changes in personal. Going back to my assertion that Rishi will probably win, I believe that this is the essence of the state of things; the broad consensus will believe that the main issues will not change. Therefore why change the personel? I could give a thousand reasons but the simple one is that even the Tory party hate their leader and will replace him, as soon as is practical, with a racist Braverman or another utterly bonkers racist, divisive scumbag. You aint voting for Rishi. Youre voting for 100,000 geriatric mentalists to decide your fate. Again. |
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Post by dohnut on May 31, 2024 20:06:57 GMT
Not Tory is exactly why Labour will win. They don’t have to stand for anything in particular nor indeed get involved in one-to-one debates which Starmer bar two is avoiding. People will have 5 years of Starmer to consider the impact of their choice. I have no time and no respect for Diane Abbott. Which shows you how utterly appalling the Tory party has been. Well they haven’t. They’ve had to deal with Brexit, Covid, Ukraine and Israel issues. Can’t think of too many terms when so many big issues have come along in quick succession. Despite all that most economic indicators are improving. Plus let’s not forget the absolute carnage they inherited when they came in thanks to the lack of foresight of boom and bust Brown. But like all Governments, they reach a point when people get fed up and want change and that point has been well and truly reached. I just wish Labour had a better, more inspirational, leader. Starmer is a big load of nothing. But he doesn’t have to be any better to win. As they say, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. Id love to think we will see improvement, but we won’t. We will get 5 years of nothing, blaming the Tories at every opportunity, then a general election where the Tories, having got themselves organised and a better leader in place will be back in Government. |
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Post by dohnut on May 31, 2024 20:13:16 GMT
Struggle with the concept of only voting for one party, or never voting for another. I’ve been a Liberal, years ago, Labour and Tory voter. Take each election on its merits (the party leader). Liked Wilson, Callaghan, Blair, Thatcher. Didn’t mind Cameron, disliked Brown and so on. Corbyn vs Boris a no-brainer, voted based on who I disliked the most and that was Corbyn. Rishi has let slip a decent opportunity, we all know how many difficulties faced over recent years and bye and large has done OK. Starmer is a wet lettuce and our, younger, version of Biden but without even his personality. I find it embarrassing that the world will see him as our leader. As our leader he will be, Not a chance I would have voted for a Boris purged Tory party. Faced with a crap choice, Boris or Corbyn, the latter would have been an absolute disaster. The electorate in general recognised this and Johnson got a big majority. He got that not because he was good but because Corbyn was so bad. As was Abbott. |
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