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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 12:16:39 GMT
I don't know a lot about being a scout but would imagine it involves more than spending too much time on twitter. My above comment was in reply to a post by redintheface, meaning that perhaps he would make a good football scout. And my above comment was in reply to a post by you in reply to the post by redintheface that you mention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2024 12:17:48 GMT
I don't know a lot about being a scout but would imagine it involves more than spending too much time on twitter. 🤣🤣- depends on what you class as “ too much time” I guess!😆👍 Any amount of time I suppose  |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 19, 2024 12:56:54 GMT
Ruel has wanted away for some time. No surprise if he goes on a free. No risk to the new club. Maybe playing in a position that suits him and a style that better allows him to develop If he goes I wish him well. More interested in who comes in to be honest On this forum you have been one of his biggest critics for quite a while, could be a case of you dont know what you have till it’s gone. Ruel works hard upfront, always likely to nick a goal and rarely misses games due to injuries. IMO it will be a big loss if he leaves the club. My criticism has only ever been his potential is far greater than what he all too often shows. When he is good, he is good. But too often he is anonymous. Working hard never really cuts it for me. People paid to do a job should work hard as a core expectation and not be praised when they do. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Jun 19, 2024 13:21:50 GMT
On this forum you have been one of his biggest critics for quite a while, could be a case of you dont know what you have till it’s gone. Ruel works hard upfront, always likely to nick a goal and rarely misses games due to injuries. IMO it will be a big loss if he leaves the club. My criticism has only ever been his potential is far greater than what he all too often shows. When he is good, he is good. But too often he is anonymous. Working hard never really cuts it for me. People paid to do a job should work hard as a core expectation and not be praised when they do. Forwards closing down defenders across the backline is a necessity part of the modern game, Harry Kane does a similar job for England, something certain players do that often goes unnoticed by spectators. Not all players have the athletic qualities and discipline to do this vital role, Ruel does this and Richie likes the role he does for the team. |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 19, 2024 14:12:40 GMT
My criticism has only ever been his potential is far greater than what he all too often shows. When he is good, he is good. But too often he is anonymous. Working hard never really cuts it for me. People paid to do a job should work hard as a core expectation and not be praised when they do. Forwards closing down defenders across the backline is a necessity part of the modern game, Harry Kane does a similar job for England, something certain players do that often goes unnoticed by spectators. Not all players have the athletic qualities and discipline to do this vital role, Ruel does this and Richie likes the role he does for the team. He has the athletic qualities therefore should not get praised for using them. It’s part of his job to do what RW wants him to do. Next time I get a taxi, someone qualified to do the job, I’ll remember to heap praise on his ability to drive me to where I ask him to go. Athletic players following instructions is an expectation. No problem with a managers well done, good management. But paid employees are expected to work hard, within the constraints of their abilities, a core job requirement. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Jun 19, 2024 14:54:30 GMT
Forwards closing down defenders across the backline is a necessity part of the modern game, Harry Kane does a similar job for England, something certain players do that often goes unnoticed by spectators. Not all players have the athletic qualities and discipline to do this vital role, Ruel does this and Richie likes the role he does for the team. He has the athletic qualities therefore should not get praised for using them. It’s part of his job to do what RW wants him to do. Next time I get a taxi, someone qualified to do the job, I’ll remember to heap praise on his ability to drive me to where I ask him to go. Athletic players following instructions is an expectation. No problem with a managers well done, good management. But paid employees are expected to work hard, within the constraints of their abilities, a core job requirement. Football players and athletes are not robots you can control from a computer. You cannot order them to score goals or jump higher etc, in sport it all comes down to personal ability and fitness levels, every individual has different qualities, strengths and weaknesses. You seem to be putting football players into the same bracket as ordinary workers etc, strange way of thinking ? |
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Post by redintheface on Jun 19, 2024 15:08:06 GMT
Thats fine but you need the money to speculate and we currently have owners already funding huge losses to keep us going. Not to mention ground improvements. Our owners are astute businessmen but even their generosity has its limits. We will get there in time but right now we are putting the building blocks in place. Not all speculation pays off, so a loss must also be considered. I much prefer the balanced and steady approach that the Leyton Orient owners are taking rather than the gungho boom and bust approach of some owners of football league teams. Result can often be a big spending spree followed by the teams getting in massive financial trouble. Perfectly fair Den! However the “ Peterborough style” approach I was referring to I certainly would not class as “ boom and bust”. Just the opposite in fact - sustainable, profitable and relatively successful I would argue. Maybe you had other clubs in mind? |
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Post by watfordo on Jun 19, 2024 15:28:35 GMT
Forwards closing down defenders across the backline is a necessity part of the modern game, Harry Kane does a similar job for England, something certain players do that often goes unnoticed by spectators. Not all players have the athletic qualities and discipline to do this vital role, Ruel does this and Richie likes the role he does for the team. He has the athletic qualities therefore should not get praised for using them. It’s part of his job to do what RW wants him to do. Next time I get a taxi, someone qualified to do the job, I’ll remember to heap praise on his ability to drive me to where I ask him to go. Athletic players following instructions is an expectation. No problem with a managers well done, good management. But paid employees are expected to work hard, within the constraints of their abilities, a core job requirement. I so often find myself disagreeing with you that it may feel like I am doing it deliberately. I promise you Im not. Its just that you are consistently wrong about so many things. This being one of them. If we were to follow your lead here then Messi couldnt possibly be praised for using ‘his abilities’. Its a nonsense argument. |
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Post by watfordo on Jun 19, 2024 15:31:46 GMT
He has the athletic qualities therefore should not get praised for using them. It’s part of his job to do what RW wants him to do. Next time I get a taxi, someone qualified to do the job, I’ll remember to heap praise on his ability to drive me to where I ask him to go. Athletic players following instructions is an expectation. No problem with a managers well done, good management. But paid employees are expected to work hard, within the constraints of their abilities, a core job requirement. Football players and athletes are not robots you can control from a computer. You cannot order them to score goals or jump higher etc, in sport it all comes down to personal ability and fitness levels, every individual has different qualities, strengths and weaknesses. You seem to be putting football players into the same bracket as ordinary workers etc, strange way of thinking ? This. |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 19, 2024 15:32:18 GMT
I much prefer the balanced and steady approach that the Leyton Orient owners are taking rather than the gungho boom and bust approach of some owners of football league teams. Result can often be a big spending spree followed by the teams getting in massive financial trouble. Perfectly fair Den! However the “ Peterborough style” approach I was referring to I certainly would not class as “ boom and bust”. Just the opposite in fact - sustainable, profitable and relatively successful I would argue. Maybe you had other clubs in mind? clubs try to invest very sensibly but is the value of the investment is often measured by the outcome. Thereby is the risk. Peterborough seem to get decent results and others don’t. |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 19, 2024 15:37:57 GMT
He has the athletic qualities therefore should not get praised for using them. It’s part of his job to do what RW wants him to do. Next time I get a taxi, someone qualified to do the job, I’ll remember to heap praise on his ability to drive me to where I ask him to go. Athletic players following instructions is an expectation. No problem with a managers well done, good management. But paid employees are expected to work hard, within the constraints of their abilities, a core job requirement. I so often find myself disagreeing with you that it may feel like I am doing it deliberately. I promise you Im not. It’s just that you are consistently wrong about so many things. This being one of them. If we were to follow your lead here then Messi couldnt possibly be praised for using ‘his abilities’. It’s a nonsense argument. Not ‘using’ but ‘expectation’. Completely different. Messi has a talent, it’s reasonable to ‘expect’ him to use that talent, something he is being paid to do. Soteriou is a fit athlete, it’s reasonable to ‘expect’ him to use his athleticism. In both cases the expectation exists. The variable is whether either use their talent. It is perfectly reasonable to expect someone to use their talent when they are being paid to do so. The alternative being you pay for someone to use their talents and they don’t. You employ staff to do a job, it’s reasonable to expect them to do it to the best of their ability. |
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Post by mujtahido on Jun 19, 2024 15:39:18 GMT
There's a pecking order even in league one.The bigger and clubs that can afford to pay top dollar will always get the best available players.The players themselves will probably wait to see what and who comes in for them which i would imagine is happening now Charlton Rotherham and Huddersfield getting the so called big players signed up early.So unless we can find a gem or two that slip under the radar from lower league teams then i think we'll have to wait to get new players signed
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Post by dohnut on Jun 19, 2024 15:50:33 GMT
There's a pecking order even in league one.The bigger and clubs that can afford to pay top dollar will always get the best available players.The players themselves will probably wait to see what and who comes in for them which i would imagine is happening now Charlton Rotherham and Huddersfield getting the so called big players signed up early.So unless we can find a gem or two that slip under the radar from lower league teams then i think we'll have to wait to get new players signed RW said as much. We need to be patient. But not to the point where it screws up preseason. The Committee will know early on who is out of our price range, who is possibly ok and those we can definitely attract. I’m sure they are focused on those who we have a chance of signing. It will all work out fine I’m sure. |
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Post by redintheface on Jun 19, 2024 15:51:00 GMT
Perfectly fair Den! However the “ Peterborough style” approach I was referring to I certainly would not class as “ boom and bust”. Just the opposite in fact - sustainable, profitable and relatively successful I would argue. Maybe you had other clubs in mind? clubs try to invest very sensibly but is the value of the investment is often measured by the outcome. Thereby is the risk. Peterborough seem to get decent results and others don’t. Not sure what to make of your response Doh tbh. Are you suggesting that “ risk” in and of itself is bad? I would have thought that so long as the club is prepared for and can handle the consequences it’s perfectly reasonable to take a chance here and there. Your last sentence makes my point for me - Peterborough get decent results out of it and personally I think the O’s could do a lot worse than trying to emulate their approach.👍 |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 19, 2024 16:08:24 GMT
clubs try to invest very sensibly but is the value of the investment is often measured by the outcome. Thereby is the risk. Peterborough seem to get decent results and others don’t. Not sure what to make of your response Doh tbh. Are you suggesting that “ risk” in and of itself is bad? I would have thought that so long as the club is prepared for and can handle the consequences it’s perfectly reasonable to take a chance here and there. Your last sentence makes my point for me - Peterborough get decent results out of it and personally I think the O’s could do a lot worse than trying to emulate their approach.👍 In many jobs, and football management is no different, intelligent risk taking is a requirement. So taking a risk on a player can still be sensible even if the outcome doesn’t work out, no guarantees as we know. Peterborough seem to get it right more often than not. And profit from it. Other clubs don’t even in the premier league. Us signing Galbraith and O’Neill are examples where we got it right. Pigott the opposite thus far. Every time we sign a player we are taking a risk. It’s not risk taking that is in question but judgement and the funds available. Peterborough are a good club to emulate for sure. |
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Post by inah on Jun 19, 2024 19:27:42 GMT
Lots of made up rumours currently especially on X with these so call transfer pages. Only rumour I believe to be slightly true is the Bakinson one, that has come from a reputable source
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Post by mayland0s on Jun 19, 2024 19:46:50 GMT
He has the athletic qualities therefore should not get praised for using them. It’s part of his job to do what RW wants him to do. Next time I get a taxi, someone qualified to do the job, I’ll remember to heap praise on his ability to drive me to where I ask him to go. Athletic players following instructions is an expectation. No problem with a managers well done, good management. But paid employees are expected to work hard, within the constraints of their abilities, a core job requirement. I so often find myself disagreeing with you that it may feel like I am doing it deliberately. I promise you Im not. Its just that you are consistently wrong about so many things. This being one of them. If we were to follow your lead here then Messi couldnt possibly be praised for using ‘his abilities’. Its a nonsense argument. Sometimes I think he just says things for the sake of saying it ! |
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Post by dohnut on Jun 19, 2024 20:11:23 GMT
I so often find myself disagreeing with you that it may feel like I am doing it deliberately. I promise you Im not. Its just that you are consistently wrong about so many things. This being one of them. If we were to follow your lead here then Messi couldnt possibly be praised for using ‘his abilities’. Its a nonsense argument. Sometimes I think he just says things for the sake of saying it ! You mean on a discussion forum. Wouldn’t be much kop if we all kept quiet! As for the WatfordO comment I found that quite honest and open. A good comment in fact. Rights and wrongs are of course a matter of opinion, quite often based on experiences and we generally have different experiences so leading to different opinions. I have no issue with that at all, welcome it in fact, even if he is a tad arrogant to assume always being consistently right. Especially when not willing to argue his corner. We can never find out. Shame. |
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Post by dennisrofe on Jun 21, 2024 8:23:51 GMT
I much prefer the balanced and steady approach that the Leyton Orient owners are taking rather than the gungho boom and bust approach of some owners of football league teams. Result can often be a big spending spree followed by the teams getting in massive financial trouble. Perfectly fair Den! However the “ Peterborough style” approach I was referring to I certainly would not class as “ boom and bust”. Just the opposite in fact - sustainable, profitable and relatively successful I would argue. Maybe you had other clubs in mind? Yes agree, Peterborough have ticked all the boxes and seemed to have got the balance just right. They are a good model for many other EFL clubs to follow.
Lastly, yes as to the comment ''as “ boom and bust” of course I had other clubs in mind. Of course it must be a very hard job to run an EFL club, get good results on the pitch and also balance the books season after season.
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Post by dohnut on Jun 21, 2024 11:47:46 GMT
Perfectly fair Den! However the “ Peterborough style” approach I was referring to I certainly would not class as “ boom and bust”. Just the opposite in fact - sustainable, profitable and relatively successful I would argue. Maybe you had other clubs in mind? Yes agree, Peterborough have ticked all the boxes and seemed to have got the balance just right. They are a good model for many other EFL clubs to follow.
Lastly, yes as to the comment ''as “ boom and bust” of course I had other clubs in mind. Of course it must be a very hard job to run an EFL club, get good results on the pitch and also balance the books season after season.
Peterborough have been developing their system over many years. Nothing wrong in looking at what they do and trying to copy it. But having the infrastructure behind the process may take time. |
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