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Post by redintheface on Aug 19, 2024 7:37:35 GMT
Apparently the George Moncur saga may be drawing to a close! It seems Southend Utd and the O’s have now thrashed out an agreement on the contribution the Shrimpers should make to GM’s wages and a loan deal is due to be concluded in the coming week.
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Post by billericayo on Aug 19, 2024 8:31:21 GMT
Plus so many people of those times dying of illnesses like Smallpox, The Plague, getting a wound often resulted in crude amputation and gangrene then setting in. No antiseptics, antibiotics or anesthetics to put you out if operation was performed. Yes so many people died young of TB. Include whooping cough in that. Babies dying of a totally preventable condition as vaccination numbers drop. Seem to remember an Internet campaign telling parents about the dangers in vaccination a few years ago and many stopped. With the associated rise in illness. Of course vaccination carries risk, nobody denies that, but it’s a far lesser risk than contracting disease. Covid has been largely beaten by the multitude of us that got vaccinated. Preventing it from mutating and growing. It is now largely just a mild inconvenience that doesn’t even stop you going to work. Think the Internet campaign was around the connection with the MMR vaccination and Autism being brought on. A lot of women were rightly worried at the time. I still do not trust what the government say about this vaccination. One jab at a time not three rolled into one i |
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Post by dohnut on Aug 19, 2024 8:55:26 GMT
Your right BillerickyO the campaign was about MMR and during the saga that followed some of the ‘scientific’ evidence offered in support was unsubstantiated. It was a campaign run on fear
I doubt any of us want vaccinations and of course they do carry risk. But not being vaccinated also carries a risk. Risk if yo do and risk if you don’t. So it boils down to which risk is the greater.
History strongly suggests vaccination is the least dangerous option. Many things once killers now gone. Despite the sceptics COVID was largely beaten by vaccination.
It’s a personal choice and I would never criticise those who choose not to. In the case of COVID they benefit from those who got the jab. But the MMR campaign wasn’t fought based on science but on fear
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Post by stills on Aug 19, 2024 10:52:21 GMT
Your right BillerickyO the campaign was about MMR and during the saga that followed some of the ‘scientific’ evidence offered in support was unsubstantiated. It was a campaign run on fear I doubt any of us want vaccinations and of course they do carry risk. But not being vaccinated also carries a risk. Risk if yo do and risk if you don’t. So it boils down to which risk is the greater. History strongly suggests vaccination is the least dangerous option. Many things once killers now gone. Despite the sceptics COVID was largely beaten by vaccination. It’s a personal choice and I would never criticise those who choose not to. In the case of COVID they benefit from those who got the jab. But the MMR campaign wasn’t fought based on science but on fear Dohnut. With the covid "vaccines" even the pharma companies said that they only lasted 10 weeks and did not work for the first two weeks. Doctors on the front line suggested that they lasted 4-6 weeks. Also look at the Cleveland research on medical professionals who had the covid jabs - the results will surprise you. |
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Post by buffalobill on Aug 19, 2024 12:03:08 GMT
If GM is off, we surely need to replace him with someone decent and experienced?
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Post by mrb on Aug 19, 2024 12:09:32 GMT
If GM is off, we surely need to replace him with someone decent and experienced? The way things are going probably another untried loanee |
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Post by dohnut on Aug 19, 2024 12:46:08 GMT
Your right BillerickyO the campaign was about MMR and during the saga that followed some of the ‘scientific’ evidence offered in support was unsubstantiated. It was a campaign run on fear I doubt any of us want vaccinations and of course they do carry risk. But not being vaccinated also carries a risk. Risk if yo do and risk if you don’t. So it boils down to which risk is the greater. History strongly suggests vaccination is the least dangerous option. Many things once killers now gone. Despite the sceptics COVID was largely beaten by vaccination. It’s a personal choice and I would never criticise those who choose not to. In the case of COVID they benefit from those who got the jab. But the MMR campaign wasn’t fought based on science but on fear Dohnut. With the covid "vaccines" even the pharma companies said that they only lasted 10 weeks and did not work for the first two weeks. Doctors on the front line suggested that they lasted 4-6 weeks. Also look at the Cleveland research on medical professionals who had the covid jabs - the results will surprise you. 91% effective for 6 months according to some. Other studies 4 months before value deteriorated. Choose your study. Then of course different vaccines have different periods. Looked into this at the time and since, and the effectiveness of the jab. All sorts of stories emerged, including some from seemingly reliable sources. Protection does not go from 100% to 0% overnight, it’s a slow process so the opportunity to decide where the effectiveness line is, is immense. And subjective. The key aspect is/was not the time frame so much as the effectiveness. Sufficient to protect vast numbers of people and stem the virus from spreading and importantly mutating. Covid did not become a mere nuisance by chance. The vaccination programme was adopted throughout the world for a reason. Many vaccines offer time-limited protection. The annual flu jab being one. But it offers protection when needed, the key point. Other vaccines offer much longer periods of protection like shingles which lasts for 7-10 years. |
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Post by redintheface on Aug 19, 2024 13:13:29 GMT
If GM is off, we surely need to replace him with someone decent and experienced? You would think so BB but based on past track record I have my doubts. |
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Post by dohnut on Aug 19, 2024 14:08:46 GMT
If GM is off, we surely need to replace him with someone decent and experienced? You would think so BB but based on past track record I have my doubts. I doubt he will be off. Still a year of decent money, then free to negotiate with others. Sooner have him fit and ready to go for us. I don’t think we are being told the full story though. Then again if it’s personal stuff then we have no right to know. Let’s just get him up and running. We need him. |
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Post by mickeysbullock on Aug 19, 2024 14:46:22 GMT
I am sorry Stills I suggest you have not done your homework regarding vaccines. Two great sources are Turtles all the way down, here is the first chapter I have a PDF if you want a copy of the whole book www.skepticalraptor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Turtles-Book-English-Chapter-1.pdf and Dissolving Illusions archive.org/details/dissolving-illusions-suzanne-humphries which everyone should read imho. By the way just look at main causes of death, they are cancer, heart attacks then medical interventions that should tell you everything. The crooked WHO or Google won't let you know this because free speech is an illusion podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/wise-traditions/id1072618042?i=1000653899306We as a species are so sick now just look at us, is it the crap we eat and drink, plastics, is it the toxic world we live in (glyphosate etc) is it vaccines, who knows? However I blindly got my children vaccinated mostly because I was brainwashed and propagandised like most and it is my biggest regret. I had a very interesting encounter with a magistrate when they asked me about Covid vaccination and I said I hadn't and if I had had my time over again I would've avoided all jabs. We were at dinner and they got so angry I thought they were going to throw the table up in the air, when I gave my reasons and offered to lend my books to them they refused. I learnt two things on that night that people are so intrenched in their views on vaccines that despite the evidence being offered and out there that at the very least calls them into question people do not want to look and secondly I want a trial by jury only, as if a magistrate is that closed minded then we have no chance of a fair trial. Two last points and then I'll retire from this thread. 1986 the Act stopped any company being sued regarding vaccines, just take that in whilst looking at how much Pharma companies have been sued for other drugs Vioxx etc then start to look at Terrain theory instead of germ theory it will boggle your mind. Good place to start is here podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/wise-traditions/id1072618042?i=1000653899306Anyway your body your choice, have all you want it's up to you. As for George I think he has been an incredible disappointment apart from a few pens, wish him well though. |
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Post by stills on Aug 19, 2024 17:02:24 GMT
I am sorry Stills I suggest you have not done your homework regarding vaccines. Two great sources are Turtles all the way down, here is the first chapter I have a PDF if you want a copy of the whole book www.skepticalraptor.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Turtles-Book-English-Chapter-1.pdf and Dissolving Illusions archive.org/details/dissolving-illusions-suzanne-humphries which everyone should read imho. By the way just look at main causes of death, they are cancer, heart attacks then medical interventions that should tell you everything. The crooked WHO or Google won't let you know this because free speech is an illusion podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/wise-traditions/id1072618042?i=1000653899306We as a species are so sick now just look at us, is it the crap we eat and drink, plastics, is it the toxic world we live in (glyphosate etc) is it vaccines, who knows? However I blindly got my children vaccinated mostly because I was brainwashed and propagandised like most and it is my biggest regret. I had a very interesting encounter with a magistrate when they asked me about Covid vaccination and I said I hadn't and if I had had my time over again I would've avoided all jabs. We were at dinner and they got so angry I thought they were going to throw the table up in the air, when I gave my reasons and offered to lend my books to them they refused. I learnt two things on that night that people are so intrenched in their views on vaccines that despite the evidence being offered and out there that at the very least calls them into question people do not want to look and secondly I want a trial by jury only, as if a magistrate is that closed minded then we have no chance of a fair trial. Two last points and then I'll retire from this thread. 1986 the Act stopped any company being sued regarding vaccines, just take that in whilst looking at how much Pharma companies have been sued for other drugs Vioxx etc then start to look at Terrain theory instead of germ theory it will boggle your mind. Good place to start is here podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/wise-traditions/id1072618042?i=1000653899306Anyway your body your choice, have all you want it's up to you. As for George I think he has been an incredible disappointment apart from a few pens, wish him well though. Mickey you are on exactly the same page as me. It may educate others. |
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Post by Fisch on Aug 19, 2024 19:55:31 GMT
We are a civilisation led mostly by science and technology although about 97% of us do not understanding much of either.
Despite that, people form and defend opinions derived from pseudo science which they regard as having equal merit to the views of the mainstream scientific community.
This will lead to disaster.
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Post by stills on Aug 19, 2024 21:43:37 GMT
We are a civilisation led mostly by science and technology although about 97% of us do not understanding much of either. Despite that, people form and defend opinions derived from pseudo science which they regard as having equal merit to the views of the mainstream scientific community. This will lead to disaster. Fisch, most research is paid for by the pharma or food companies, if this was in maths or physics etc it would be thrown out. Money pays for whatever results you want to show. I am a medic who has a degree in maths and stats and understand how this works. Sadly for money, not in human interest. Why else would the pharma companies insist that they would not be liable for any vaccine injuries? |
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Post by stills on Aug 19, 2024 21:44:17 GMT
No more from me.
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Post by mrb on Aug 19, 2024 21:50:53 GMT
It’s all a shame concerning GM..A sad state of affairs.He coukd and should have done wonders for us..
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Post by MungO on Aug 19, 2024 22:00:27 GMT
I think if George goes we'll get a top notch replacement.
Can imagine we have them already lined up but just not able to fund it at the moment.
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Post by Thor on Aug 19, 2024 22:17:45 GMT
It’s all a shame concerning GM..A sad state of affairs.He coukd and should have done wonders for us.. Absolutely this ^ |
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Post by Thor on Aug 19, 2024 22:20:22 GMT
I think if George goes we'll get a top notch replacement. Can imagine we have them already lined up but just not able to fund it at the moment. This window has been a challenge and I don’t see why now Tommy cooper suddenly comes from stage right and pulls a rabbit out the hat. Our signings have been rather underwhelming if I’m being honest and I really don’t expect that to change anytime soon. |
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Post by eca on Aug 19, 2024 22:23:38 GMT
There may be medical / health detrimental reasons why GM did not consolidate his place in the team during the whole contract.
I really do not like the perpetual speculation of this, by this board and the other forum or anyone else. Particularly insults about being a wage thief or similar, which had been posted on a different thread of posts .
Any chance everyone can leave the guy alone as none of us know precisely the complete accurate reason(s).
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Post by Nick312 on Aug 19, 2024 23:14:02 GMT
Maybe he wanted to be the captain.
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