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Post by howlingmad on Jul 11, 2020 16:15:51 GMT
I think most of us want safer more liveable cities for all of us. But is ignoring a red light now permitted for cyclists according to the Highway Code? Saw you post this comment and I agree 100%...as a cyclist only it really p155e5 me off how consistently cyclists jump red lights....Safety isn't the reason because I think it's more dodgy to jump them....
Don't get me wrong I don't particulary like vehicle drivers unless they are considerate as I try to be considerate back...but I think I am treated like sh1t sometimes as a lot of cyclists behave quite badly and I'm tarred with the same brush...
I don't mind pedestrians although they can be a bit of a pain when they don't look or I'm trying to time a turn when a pedestrian is clueless I am nearby trying to get away from some dodgy car driver baying down on me .
Basically I just think it's the selfishness of society... .....Not the form of vehicle they use....
....and i fracking hate car adverts...They are 5h1t.
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Post by dohnut on Jul 11, 2020 16:59:28 GMT
I think most of us want safer more liveable cities for all of us. But is ignoring a red light now permitted for cyclists according to the Highway Code? Saw you post this comment and I agree 100%...as a cyclist only it really p155e5 me off how consistently cyclists jump red lights....Safety isn't the reason because I think it's more dodgy to jump them....
Don't get me wrong I don't particulary like vehicle drivers unless they are considerate as I try to be considerate back...but I think I am treated like sh1t sometimes as a lot of cyclists behave quite badly and I'm tarred with the same brush...
I don't mind pedestrians although they can be a bit of a pain when they don't look or I'm trying to time a turn when a pedestrian is clueless I am nearby trying to get away from some dodgy car driver baying down on me .
Basically I just think it's the selfishness of society... .....Not the form of vehicle they use....
....and i fracking hate car adverts...They are 5h1t.
I’d like to think that drivers who also cycle would be a little more considerate. But my question was genuine, in some countries driving through a red is permitted in some circumstances, turning right in some US states for example. I wasn’t aware of any changes to the Highway Code covering this matter. i assume not allowed in the UK for cyclists.
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Post by howlingmad on Jul 12, 2020 2:58:53 GMT
i assume not allowed in the UK for cyclists. No it's not legal,whatever they do in other countries....Also it isn't thought out but as we have a limited Police force it would be rare to be pulled up.I've seen vehicles do it with a cop car behind and they barely turn a hair.... I followed a youngester on a scooter yesterday om the cycle superhighway 3 who resorted to jumping every red while talking on a mobile phone on her handlebars..So it's inbred into society and so is ignorance and selfishness.... Instead of making the excuse of it being too dangerous to stop at red lights it would probably be better to concentrate on what other road users are doing instead of having their heads up their arses.
Selfish society crap cyclists and crap motorists and not much law enforcement probably due to the cutting of the police force so much.
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Post by disoriented on Jul 12, 2020 19:42:58 GMT
Of course, Froome and Wiggins, despite the ‘jiffy bag’ mystery, are both above board.😅
British cyclists were given ketones and warned they might trigger doping violations, as part of a trial run by UK Sport for the 2012 London Olympic Games. It was run with the apparent involvement of research and innovation manager, Scott Drawer, who went on to work for Team Ineos – then Team Sky – from 2016 to 2018. Ketones, a synthetic form of the energy source produced during fasting, are not banned under anti-doping rules but have caused ethical concerns, given their supposed performance-enhancing effects, and health concerns, given the potential side effects. 91 athletes across eight sports were involved in the trial in 2011 and 2012, with the stated intent of using ketones in Olympic build-up events and during the Games themselves. At the time, ketones were being developed alongside the US Special Forces and were not commercially available, and so UK Sport referred to the project as a ‘research trial’.
The athletes had to sign waivers to accept full responsibility for any associated risks, along with non-disclosure agreements to keep it all private. In order to counter any "negative perceptions and publicity" arising from a potential leak, UK Sport was set to launch a PR plan focusing on Team GB being "ahead of the curve compared to its competitors".
As part of an information sheet, UK Sport warned athletes of potential anti-doping complications, even encouraging them that ketone use would be 'difficult to prove'.
"UK Sport does not guarantee, promise, assure or represent that use of ketone esters is absolutely World Anti-Doping Code compliant and therefore excludes all responsibility for use of the ketone ester," read the document.
"WADA might exercise ... their rights to regulate … [and] collect blood samples or retrospectively test old samples. This may occur if there were pressure of the media if the concept was to leak. However … ketosis is a temporary physiological state and would be difficult to prove or test with any post-event samples."
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Post by howlingmad on Jul 13, 2020 1:40:52 GMT
Eh?
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Post by sidmouth on Jul 13, 2020 6:18:06 GMT
I think they won the big races fair and square and with asthma too. It must be hard to stay fit if you need so many injections.
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Post by dohnut on Jul 13, 2020 8:52:16 GMT
Of course, Froome and Wiggins, despite the ‘jiffy bag’ mystery, are both above board.😅 British cyclists were given ketones and warned they might trigger doping violations, as part of a trial run by UK Sport for the 2012 London Olympic Games. It was run with the apparent involvement of research and innovation manager, Scott Drawer, who went on to work for Team Ineos – then Team Sky – from 2016 to 2018. Ketones, a synthetic form of the energy source produced during fasting, are not banned under anti-doping rules but have caused ethical concerns, given their supposed performance-enhancing effects, and health concerns, given the potential side effects. 91 athletes across eight sports were involved in the trial in 2011 and 2012, with the stated intent of using ketones in Olympic build-up events and during the Games themselves. At the time, ketones were being developed alongside the US Special Forces and were not commercially available, and so UK Sport referred to the project as a ‘research trial’. The athletes had to sign waivers to accept full responsibility for any associated risks, along with non-disclosure agreements to keep it all private. In order to counter any "negative perceptions and publicity" arising from a potential leak, UK Sport was set to launch a PR plan focusing on Team GB being "ahead of the curve compared to its competitors". As part of an information sheet, UK Sport warned athletes of potential anti-doping complications, even encouraging them that ketone use would be 'difficult to prove'. "UK Sport does not guarantee, promise, assure or represent that use of ketone esters is absolutely World Anti-Doping Code compliant and therefore excludes all responsibility for use of the ketone ester," read the document. "WADA might exercise ... their rights to regulate … [and] collect blood samples or retrospectively test old samples. This may occur if there were pressure of the media if the concept was to leak. However … ketosis is a temporary physiological state and would be difficult to prove or test with any post-event samples." Ketones are a natural substance produced by the body. In fact ketosis is the process ( the body creating ketones) that forms the heart of the Adkins diet. If you wish to naturally elevate levels then it can be done through a Strict eating regime. In fact if you follow the Atkins diet you can buy litmus type paper that turns a different colour once the process accelerates, usually takes a week. Nothing sordid, though people argue about health. I’m not too sure how authorities can prove that Ketones found in the system are not a natural body function. It would be massively difficult to prove excessive levels are down to performance enhancing intake. After all a diet of bacon will do just the same.
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Post by howlingmad on Jul 13, 2020 14:49:06 GMT
No...I don't take performance drugs on my cycle commute.Thanks anyway.
Here you go...dohnut...I don't think helmets should be compulsaoy...although I do wear one...In an accident most of the time they are pretty useless....That includes the numerous times I have fallen off.
Probably better training for cyclists...policing...Road layouts and education for motorists,also.
In 43 years of cycling helmets have never been a problem...Cars have been a problem.
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Post by dohnut on Jul 13, 2020 19:01:40 GMT
No...I don't take performance drugs on my cycle commute.Thanks anyway.
Here you go...dohnut...I don't think helmets should be compulsaoy...although I do wear one...In an accident most of the time they are pretty useless....That includes the numerous times I have fallen off.
Probably better training for cyclists...policing...Road layouts and education for motorists,also.
In 43 years of cycling helmets have never been a problem...Cars have been a problem.
Looked up ROSPA data for cycling injuries, 2016. About 45% of injuries to cyclists include head injuries of some kind, fatalities with head injuries studied increase to around 75%. I don’t know what percentage of these injuries were from people wearing a helmet that didn’t save them, but the data certainly suggests to me that helmets have a use and should be mandatory. the figures are quite sobering, Usual culprits are cars turning, accidents entering a junction, drivers opening doors as per your what happened next. put it this way. No way will I ever cycle without a helmet again.
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Post by howlingmad on Jul 13, 2020 22:01:20 GMT
Persoanlly I'd like to see better driving and cycling but that ain't gonna happen....
No problems with cars today but undertaken by a cyclist at Canning Town while waiting at lights....Luckily I was alert enough to catch it....
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Post by disoriented on Jul 14, 2020 5:54:25 GMT
Of course, Froome and Wiggins, despite the ‘jiffy bag’ mystery, are both above board.😅 British cyclists were given ketones and warned they might trigger doping violations, as part of a trial run by UK Sport for the 2012 London Olympic Games. It was run with the apparent involvement of research and innovation manager, Scott Drawer, who went on to work for Team Ineos – then Team Sky – from 2016 to 2018. Ketones, a synthetic form of the energy source produced during fasting, are not banned under anti-doping rules but have caused ethical concerns, given their supposed performance-enhancing effects, and health concerns, given the potential side effects. 91 athletes across eight sports were involved in the trial in 2011 and 2012, with the stated intent of using ketones in Olympic build-up events and during the Games themselves. At the time, ketones were being developed alongside the US Special Forces and were not commercially available, and so UK Sport referred to the project as a ‘research trial’. The athletes had to sign waivers to accept full responsibility for any associated risks, along with non-disclosure agreements to keep it all private. In order to counter any "negative perceptions and publicity" arising from a potential leak, UK Sport was set to launch a PR plan focusing on Team GB being "ahead of the curve compared to its competitors". As part of an information sheet, UK Sport warned athletes of potential anti-doping complications, even encouraging them that ketone use would be 'difficult to prove'. "UK Sport does not guarantee, promise, assure or represent that use of ketone esters is absolutely World Anti-Doping Code compliant and therefore excludes all responsibility for use of the ketone ester," read the document. "WADA might exercise ... their rights to regulate … [and] collect blood samples or retrospectively test old samples. This may occur if there were pressure of the media if the concept was to leak. However … ketosis is a temporary physiological state and would be difficult to prove or test with any post-event samples." Keytones are a natural substance produced by the body. In fact ketosis is the process ( the body creating keytones ) that forms the heart of the Adkins diet. If you wish to naturally elevate levels then it can be done through a Strict eating regime. In fact if you follow the Atkins diet you can buy litmus type paper that turns a different colour once the process accelerates, usually takes a week. Nothing sordid, though people argue about health. I’m not too sure how authorities can prove that keytones found in the system are not a natural body function. It would be massively difficult to prove excessive levels are down to performance enhancing intake. After all a diet of bacon will do just the same. They were given KETONES. Not sure what ‘keytones’ are, perhaps the signals sent to unlock your car from a fob.
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Post by dohnut on Jul 14, 2020 8:37:51 GMT
Ketones are a natural substance produced by the body. In fact ketosis is the process ( the body creating ketones ) that forms the heart of the Adkins diet. If you wish to naturally elevate levels then it can be done through a Strict eating regime. In fact if you follow the Atkins diet you can buy litmus type paper that turns a different colour once the process accelerates, usually takes a week. Nothing sordid, though people argue about health. I’m not too sure how authorities can prove that Ketones found in the system are not a natural body function. It would be massively difficult to prove excessive levels are down to performance enhancing intake. After all a diet of bacon will do just the same. They were given KETONES. Not sure what ‘keytones’ are, perhaps the signals sent to unlock your car from a fob. So you started an interesting debate, I responded in an open way. Your response? Comment on spelling. Personally I’d be more interested in why you chose to raise this topic. PS. I’ve corrected the spelling just for you.
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Post by disoriented on Jul 14, 2020 8:53:21 GMT
They were given KETONES. Not sure what ‘keytones’ are, perhaps the signals sent to unlock your car from a fob. So you started an interesting debate, I responded in an open way. Your response? Comment on spelling. Personally I’d be more interested in why you chose to raise this topic. PS. I’ve corrected the spelling just for you. Not sure why you got antsy fella. I just wanted to check that you were not confused, as the two are clearly different things.
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Post by dohnut on Jul 14, 2020 9:01:31 GMT
So you started an interesting debate, I responded in an open way. Your response? Comment on spelling. Personally I’d be more interested in why you chose to raise this topic. PS. I’ve corrected the spelling just for you. Not sure why you got antsy fella. I just wanted to check that you were not confused, as the two are clearly different things. I get antsy fella because yet again I try and engage is sensible debate with you. When you troll through posts, spelling, sometimes by mistake, sometimes by autocorrect happen. Some of us tend to overlook these things and focus on the message. Do you have a message on this subject?
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Post by disoriented on Jul 14, 2020 11:12:26 GMT
Not sure why you got antsy fella. I just wanted to check that you were not confused, as the two are clearly different things. I get antsy fella because yet again I try and engage is sensible debate with you. When you troll through posts, spelling, sometimes by mistake, sometimes by autocorrect happen. Some of us tend to overlook these things and focus on the message. Do you have a message on this subject? Disagreement is not ‘trolling’. I have explained my point about keytones, but you either don’t understand it or choose to ignore it in order to throw cheap insults around. That is very unbecoming. ‘Sensible’ debate in your eyes seems to be acknowledging you are right about everything which is far from the truth. Agree to disagree.
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Post by howlingmad on Jul 14, 2020 13:18:02 GMT
www.motoring.co.uk/car-news/cyclists-why-do-they-ride-in-the-middle-of-the-road_62617This is quite a good article...although I haven't read it fully through and raises a few good points which I took for granted... I may have picked up on the fact some motorists down the backstreet ratruns don't necessarily pull out from sidestreets if I stop to let a car come down a narrow point from the other direction.A good motorist reads what I do (or what I may do) (body language/bike language) and ditto.(car language and movement)
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Post by howlingmad on Jul 15, 2020 5:58:02 GMT
There's always something...Trcky but possible I suppose...
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Post by howlingmad on Jul 15, 2020 9:55:07 GMT
Wanted to post this earlier...
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Post by osoldguy on Jul 15, 2020 10:46:16 GMT
There's always something...Trcky but possible I suppose...
you'll be ok if your wearing a helmet.
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Post by sidmouth on Jul 15, 2020 11:25:33 GMT
I think they should all wear helmets and maybe suits of armour too. It was good enough for Henry VIII when he invented the bicycle.
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