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Post by dennisrofe on Jan 31, 2021 15:57:19 GMT
We recruit players from league one and the championship. An excellent point. We are out looking for players able to play at a better level, yet have a manager who struggles at this level. Bit like building a race car and putting your doddery dear old aunt Fanny in the driving seat. Our high league position this season is false, papering over the cracks. I struggle to remember any league game where I’ve thought, we were good. At best we have a good 45 minutes or short spells. And we have had an awful lot of luck. Even today, a loss of 2-0 and we were damned lucky. But nothing will change. The new players will soon be dragged down to a pitiful level of performance, This gave me a good laugh, yes good one !
'' Bit like building a race car and putting your doddery dear old aunt Fanny in the driving seat.''
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Post by buffalobill on Jan 31, 2021 17:03:15 GMT
I'm going back to the part about Ross being a 'good coach' and I'd like a podcast or someone in touch with the club to put this in as a question. Ross was appointed on the strength of being a good coach. But what does that actually mean? Without being patronising what does a good coach do? Because at the moment I see no style of play, no tactic, no players improving, no motivation, nobody seems to be up for the fight, there's a lack of effort, there's no cohesion, no order, and no real plan to change things around. And that hasn't been for the last two defeats, it's been all season and last season too. So is Ross a good coach? I'm looking on this forum, the other forum, getting texts all saying that enough is enough. So are we all wrong? What is it that 99% of us can't see? What would a bad coach be like? I dont get all this talk about Ross being such a brilliant coach, where is the proof of all that ?
As a manager, where is the sparkle, motivational skills and on the spot decision making to change tactics around to change the course of a game.......sorry it is just not there and never will be !
I think the point is there is a difference between a good coach and a manager. Ross May be one, but he doesn’t appear to be the other. |
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Post by dohnut on Jan 31, 2021 17:57:34 GMT
I'm going back to the part about Ross being a 'good coach' and I'd like a podcast or someone in touch with the club to put this in as a question. Ross was appointed on the strength of being a good coach. But what does that actually mean? Without being patronising what does a good coach do? Because at the moment I see no style of play, no tactic, no players improving, no motivation, nobody seems to be up for the fight, there's a lack of effort, there's no cohesion, no order, and no real plan to change things around. And that hasn't been for the last two defeats, it's been all season and last season too. So is Ross a good coach? I'm looking on this forum, the other forum, getting texts all saying that enough is enough. So are we all wrong? What is it that 99% of us can't see? What would a bad coach be like? I dont get all this talk about Ross being such a brilliant coach, where is the proof of all that ?
As a manager, where is the sparkle, motivational skills and on the spot decision making to change tactics around to change the course of a game.......sorry it is just not there and never will be !
It comes from Ling Senior. The club is good at propaganda at times. I have no reason to believe he is any better or worse than many others. |
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Post by dohnut on Jan 31, 2021 18:07:43 GMT
The bottom line is we all have our views, but they will change nothing. Ross is in it for the long haul unless a disaster happens. It won’t.
So let’s just hope the quality of our play improves, our tactics are smarter and we move in the right Direction. Right now we are a tedious, predictable and poorly performing team, boring, in what is a very unusual and even season.
Things will get better.
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Post by alfresco on Jan 31, 2021 18:14:28 GMT
We will probably remain a mid table 4th division side for a number of years, with the odd year, flirting with relegation. Lets hope on those odd years, we avoid the big drop
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Post by dohnut on Jan 31, 2021 18:37:43 GMT
We will probably remain a mid table 4th division side for a number of years, with the odd year, flirting with relegation. Lets hope on those odd years, we avoid the big drop I can’t see us going down. But to be honest I remember saying exactly the same a few years ago. what concerns me is the cap effect. It will create a level playing field in L2. Clubs no longer able to buy success, Like Salford. Or spend to avoid the drop. In fact being London based we may be at a disadvantage. Huge cost of living for players. So what will separate the good, the bad, the ugly? The ability to transform players into a well performing, cohesive unit. With energy, drive, focus. Ambition. Clubs will become far more dependent on the quality of the Head Coach. Ling talks about there being good players aplenty come June. We won’t be the only club who know that. We won’t be the only club trying to grab the best of those available. In terms of player quality clubs risk becoming clones. All fairly even. Time for the managers to shine even more than now. |
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Post by jimbo1983 on Jan 31, 2021 18:51:21 GMT
We will probably remain a mid table 4th division side for a number of years, with the odd year, flirting with relegation. Lets hope on those odd years, we avoid the big drop I can’t see us going down. But to be honest I remember saying exactly the same a few years ago. what concerns me is the cap effect. It will create a level playing field in L2. Clubs no longer able to buy success, Like Salford. Or spend to avoid the drop. In fact being London based we may be at a disadvantage. Huge cost of living for players. So what will separate the good, the bad, the ugly? The ability to transform players into a well performing, cohesive unit. With energy, drive, focus. Ambition. Clubs will become far more dependent on the quality of the Head Coach. Ling talks about there being good players aplenty come June. We won’t be the only club who know that. We won’t be the only club trying to grab the best of those available. In terms of player quality clubs risk becoming clones. All fairly even. Time for the managers to shine even more than now. Great pint about being a London club could be a disadvantage... Didn't think of that |
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Post by buffalobill on Feb 1, 2021 15:26:54 GMT
So how about the owners buy accommodation and rent it to the players at a modest ( below market) rent?
If it is the owners doing this in a personal capacity, would that avoid any benefit in kind and an impact on the salary cap?
Trying to think outside the box and limit the impact of us being in an expensive area to live.
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 1, 2021 15:32:40 GMT
So how about the owners buy accommodation and rent it to the players at a modest ( below market) rent? If it is the owners doing this in a personal capacity, would that avoid any benefit in kind and an impact on the salary cap? Trying to think outside the box and limit the impact of us being in an expensive area to live. Good idea. I am sure alot of clubs are going to be doing things like this and other tactics to not put everything through the books |
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Post by redshank on Feb 1, 2021 15:50:36 GMT
I am not trying to be annoying or controversial.I would love promotion or the play offs.Can anyone tell me when we did play good football.We did a few times under Clarke and he eventually got us promotion,Even he had the boo boys (that includes me)as soon as the opposition got a corner.George Petchey gave us the best football the club has ever played.Before that we had Bloomfield and Carey but they had very good teams with a few internationals.At the moment we are trying to build a promotion team and it shows in our stop go efforts.
There are 23 other teams with the same aim,all are difficult to beat.Sometimes the status quo is a lot better than you think it is.
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 1, 2021 16:23:47 GMT
I am not trying to be annoying or controversial.I would love promotion or the play offs.Can anyone tell me when we did play good football.We did a few times under Clarke and he eventually got us promotion,Even he had the boo boys (that includes me)as soon as the opposition got a corner.George Petchey gave us the best football the club has ever played.Before that we had Bloomfield and Carey but they had very good teams with a few internationals.At the moment we are trying to build a promotion team and it shows in our stop go efforts. There are 23 other teams with the same aim,all are difficult to beat.Sometimes the status quo is a lot better than you think it is. 100% agree with this. 23 teams all pretty much think they can have a good season. As for manager we played well under. I thinking we played well under ling in our promotion season. Sometimes played well under Tommy Taylor. I liked it under slade at times too. I think you play to your players strengths hence why it hard to pick a time when it was always good. Its a tough league and the players are OK but they can't play like man City or arsenal etc. So I think sometimes we are good and sometimes we look poor. At the moment it is dross tho. I also think if your winning it doesn't matter how you play. Ask a Bolton fan when under big Sam. Bet they would take that now |
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Post by dennisrofe on Feb 10, 2021 19:25:52 GMT
I can’t see us going down. But to be honest I remember saying exactly the same a few years ago. what concerns me is the cap effect. It will create a level playing field in L2. Clubs no longer able to buy success, Like Salford. Or spend to avoid the drop. In fact being London based we may be at a disadvantage. Huge cost of living for players. Great pint about being a London club could be a disadvantage... Didn't think of that ''In fact being London based we may be at a disadvantage. Huge cost of living for players''
That point has been mentioned many times, mainly on the other forum !
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Post by dennisrofe on Feb 10, 2021 19:30:05 GMT
So how about the owners buy accommodation and rent it to the players at a modest ( below market) rent? If it is the owners doing this in a personal capacity, would that avoid any benefit in kind and an impact on the salary cap? Trying to think outside the box and limit the impact of us being in an expensive area to live. That is a very good idea, problem though that it could turn out to be very expensive to buy say around 20 odd houses/flats as at the going rate for anywhere near the London area could result in something like 10 Million pounds for that amount of property ! |
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Post by ramblingman on Feb 10, 2021 19:30:18 GMT
Under Ling: first season relegation battle, second season mid-table, third season promoted. When we stop making progress I will be worried.
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Post by dennisrofe on Feb 10, 2021 19:34:40 GMT
I am not trying to be annoying or controversial.I would love promotion or the play offs.Can anyone tell me when we did play good football.We did a few times under Clarke and he eventually got us promotion,Even he had the boo boys (that includes me)as soon as the opposition got a corner.George Petchey gave us the best football the club has ever played.Before that we had Bloomfield and Carey but they had very good teams with a few internationals.At the moment we are trying to build a promotion team and it shows in our stop go efforts. There are 23 other teams with the same aim,all are difficult to beat.Sometimes the status quo is a lot better than you think it is. I think any of the managers you mention would have made a far better job at running the team that we have at present and would be more attractive to watch as well. |
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Post by harlowo on Feb 10, 2021 20:38:47 GMT
Two experienced managers lost their jobs today
Keith Curle
Paul Tisdale
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Post by MungO on Feb 10, 2021 20:59:25 GMT
Yes please to either of them.
Both got promotions from League Two on their CV.
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Post by dohnut on Feb 10, 2021 21:57:32 GMT
Two experienced managers lost their jobs today Keith Curle Paul Tisdale Sometimes it just don’t work out for experienced managers at some clubs. Sometimes the fit is excellent. Sometimes it’s square pegs in a round hole. Us getting an experienced manager is no guarantee of success. it people want guarantees, football is not where to look. Its all about giving yourself the best chance you can. One way to do that is get people who have been there and done it. As a club I here this mantra about players, like Freeman, we are told he is what we want because he has experienced promotion before. Big plus. If it’s the right attitude when selecting players, why is it so different when selecting a manager. getting in experienced players who have been there and done it, yet having a manager who has not. Is sort of strange. |
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Post by redintheface on Feb 10, 2021 22:25:43 GMT
Yes please to either of them. Both got promotions from League Two on their CV. I think we know from the DoF that Tisdale is “ not realistic” for the O’s 😁 |
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Post by redintheface on Feb 10, 2021 22:28:42 GMT
I am not trying to be annoying or controversial.I would love promotion or the play offs.Can anyone tell me when we did play good football.We did a few times under Clarke and he eventually got us promotion,Even he had the boo boys (that includes me)as soon as the opposition got a corner.George Petchey gave us the best football the club has ever played.Before that we had Bloomfield and Carey but they had very good teams with a few internationals.At the moment we are trying to build a promotion team and it shows in our stop go efforts. There are 23 other teams with the same aim,all are difficult to beat.Sometimes the status quo is a lot better than you think it is. I think any of the managers you mention would have made a far better job at running the team that we have at present and would be more attractive to watch as well. I must agree that in terms of organisation and playing to a pattern the teams Petchey put out were probably as good as any the club has ever had. |
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