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Post by Fisch on Feb 12, 2021 15:19:46 GMT
A bloke called Darren Bradley is prolific on the Facebook page called "Leyton Orient Supporters Chat" where he constantly rants on about how Ross must go, he never misses an opportunity to have a go. Last week he added a poll to see how many people agreed with him. The last l saw, it was about 150 wanted Ross to stay and something like 1/4 - 1/3 agreed with him. Sadly it hasn't stopped his relentless tirade but it did demonstrate that Ross appears to have many more supporters than he does detractors.
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 12, 2021 15:54:12 GMT
A bloke called Darren Bradley is prolific on the Facebook page called "Leyton Orient Supporters Chat" where he constantly rants on about how Ross must go, he never misses an opportunity to have a go. Last week he added a poll to see how many people agreed with him. The last l saw, it was about 150 wanted Ross to stay and something like 1/4 - 1/3 agreed with him. Sadly it hasn't stopped his relentless tirade but it did demonstrate that Ross appears to have many more supporters than he does detractors. I would say that's a fair assessment. I would love a experienced manager in but I don't really know who we could get in reality who would be better. I think Ross probably has the backing of the majority of fans and the board for this season and maybe the first 2/3 months of next. If we are not top 3 at 3 months into next season then time for him to go and see who is around. |
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Post by redshank on Feb 12, 2021 16:59:58 GMT
Status Quo for me,many teams have fallen to the wayside when they have released a manager.We are not doing too bad. They have little experience of musical chords let alone football management Perhaps appoint Brittany Spears instead to add a bit of glamour Whatever you want. |
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Post by disoriented on Feb 12, 2021 18:49:48 GMT
They have little experience of musical chords let alone football management Perhaps appoint Brittany Spears instead to add a bit of glamour Whatever you want. No, no as we would go down down, deeper down. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 10:25:21 GMT
Tisdale lasted just three months at Bristol Rovers, after surviving only about a year at Milton Keynes. Add to that his previous role at Exeter ended when they didn't offer him a suitable contract That's 3 clubs that effectively got rid of him in his last 3 jobs A manager each of those 3 clubs did not want There is no guarantee he would be any more successful at Orient that Embleton. The most successful clubs generally are the ones who have most stable management structures |
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Post by tuffers on Feb 21, 2021 10:31:28 GMT
why could we not get derek adams?
If Darrell clarke could move downwards to a bigger club why couldnt the same happen here
look at the table and each clubs size and predicted position this season
so far he is L2 manager of the season for me
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Post by Fisch on Feb 21, 2021 13:04:14 GMT
The most successful clubs generally are the ones who have most stable management structures Chicken and egg perhaps? |
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 21, 2021 13:43:42 GMT
why could we not get derek adams? If Darrell clarke could move downwards to a bigger club why couldnt the same happen here look at the table and each clubs size and predicted position this season so far he is L2 manager of the season for me His references were awful apparently. I would suspect he is a short term manager. Short term success but probably does more damage in the long term... Possibly. |
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Post by tuffers on Feb 21, 2021 13:54:57 GMT
not awful enough for another team to employ him though? And he passed through enough of the process to make the final cut here
football is like that, there will be always someone who thinks you are a dick, imagine if Ross was interviewed elsewhere and they called Webby for the reference
why is he short term, at Ross C and Plymouth he was employed for over 4 years? He was at Ross county for 7 years, doesnt seem like someone who is only out for the next paypack
was that just a guess to make your reply seem a bit better?
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 21, 2021 14:16:35 GMT
not awful enough for another team to employ him though? And he passed through enough of the process to make the final cut here football is like that, there will be always someone who thinks you are a dick, imagine if Ross was interviewed elsewhere and they called Webby for the reference why is he short term, at Ross C and Plymouth he was employed for over 4 years? He was at Ross county for 7 years, doesnt seem like someone who is only out for the next paypack was that just a guess to make your reply seem a bit better? We have had managers that were d*cks before. Kevin Nolan was a complete d*ck if ever there was one. I agree football is like that tho. I am sure they asked a few people and they were told Adams is a d*ck and they thought they couldn't work with him. The relationship between chairman and manager is very important. Adams has never had a 'big' job so there must be something in it. I think he gets on the rumour mill but always falls last hurdle. Can't compare Scottish football as its dire. I think at Plymouth he got them promoted but I think they stuttered in league one. Did OK at first but then dropped. An old work friend supported Plymouth. He used to say Adams was frustrating. Played the same tactics each week. Played people in the wrong positions all the time. (sound familiar) Argues with fans/ press etc. Never played any youngsters. All long term damage |
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Post by Thor on Feb 21, 2021 14:20:05 GMT
Didn't travis or ling say in the q and a that his references didn't check out so they moved on to others? He wanted to come here, but we have him the old Spanish archer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 14:39:43 GMT
The most successful clubs generally are the ones who have most stable management structures Chicken and egg perhaps? I typed exactly that and deleted it in my post. It's an interesting debate, but I suspect the answer is that it is a bit of both. |
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Post by tuffers on Feb 21, 2021 14:51:32 GMT
not awful enough for another team to employ him though? And he passed through enough of the process to make the final cut here football is like that, there will be always someone who thinks you are a dick, imagine if Ross was interviewed elsewhere and they called Webby for the reference why is he short term, at Ross C and Plymouth he was employed for over 4 years? He was at Ross county for 7 years, doesnt seem like someone who is only out for the next paypack was that just a guess to make your reply seem a bit better? We have had managers that were d*cks before. Kevin Nolan was a complete d*ck if ever there was one. I agree football is like that tho. I am sure they asked a few people and they were told Adams is a d*ck and they thought they couldn't work with him. The relationship between chairman and manager is very important. Adams has never had a 'big' job so there must be something in it. I think he gets on the rumour mill but always falls last hurdle. Can't compare Scottish football as its dire. I think at Plymouth he got them promoted but I think they stuttered in league one. Did OK at first but then dropped. An old work friend supported Plymouth. He used to say Adams was frustrating. Played the same tactics each week. Played people in the wrong positions all the time. (sound familiar) Argues with fans/ press etc. Never played any youngsters. All long term damage so what? we've had managers who have done the same on all of those points. So has every other pro club. has it done any of them long term damage, no, because they always can sack him and get someone in. So what if adams never had a big job? he has recent experience of success at this level, that's all that counts. unfortunately for those managers the only real way to get improved jobs is to strike while the iron is hot, not when you are sacked when results go bad a bit like the cowley brothers, will they get a club bigger than huddersfield next? no plymouth were a big club in L1, why would he want to leave. in the same way slade would not have left had he been allowed to get on with it |
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Post by tuffers on Feb 21, 2021 15:01:36 GMT
anyway if you are being judged on results, like all managers are, should you throw in the kids just to say to the fans you are giving them a chance?
its not a good metric nowadays as any good youth is taken away by the big boys quickly
we wouldnt be in l2 now if our youth was given a chance, as much as i would like to have seen it. edinburgh binned quite a lot of them quite quickly
don't want to make this an adams love-in
just dislike the way that people hate on him and fletcher to some extent
adams is a better manager than ross is, thats what the table says
even if we finished level on points with them he will have done much better as his budget was much smaller
he was deemed suitable to be a manager here a year ago until the last hurdle, so why not today? would he get a good reference off his current employers?
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 21, 2021 15:37:05 GMT
We have had managers that were d*cks before. Kevin Nolan was a complete d*ck if ever there was one. I agree football is like that tho. I am sure they asked a few people and they were told Adams is a d*ck and they thought they couldn't work with him. The relationship between chairman and manager is very important. Adams has never had a 'big' job so there must be something in it. I think he gets on the rumour mill but always falls last hurdle. Can't compare Scottish football as its dire. I think at Plymouth he got them promoted but I think they stuttered in league one. Did OK at first but then dropped. An old work friend supported Plymouth. He used to say Adams was frustrating. Played the same tactics each week. Played people in the wrong positions all the time. (sound familiar) Argues with fans/ press etc. Never played any youngsters. All long term damage so what? we've had managers who have done the same on all of those points. So has every other pro club. has it done any of them long term damage, no, because they always can sack him and get someone in. So what if adams never had a big job? he has recent experience of success at this level, that's all that counts. unfortunately for those managers the only real way to get improved jobs is to strike while the iron is hot, not when you are sacked when results go bad a bit like the cowley brothers, will they get a club bigger than huddersfield next? no plymouth were a big club in L1, why would he want to leave. in the same way slade would not have left had he been allowed to get on with it The point about a big job was made because it looks like nobody higher seems to want to take a chance on him. We can all see he has done good things with Plymouth and Ross County. So why has someone not gone for him. There is something there in the background that the bottom line is that our chairman didn't want to take a chance on either. Simple. Move on The point about the tactics etc I know we have had the same in our past and in our current manager. Is Adams going to give us the forward thinking play that other more tactically astute managers that some want on here. No. The question is on all of this is really what do the fans want. Short term success... Players played out of position... Something people moan about all the time... Same tactics if not working... People moan about that all the time... Style over substance what would you like? Personally I don't think orient will ever be Premier league team in my lifetime. I personally want a team in league 1 that plays exciting football. A team with local talent coming through every couple of years. So to say youth isn't important it is to some fans. It sounds to me that you just want out of league 2 quickly. Are you going to be moaning like this if we are mid table in league 1 and results aren't going our way. |
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Post by jimbo1983 on Feb 21, 2021 15:40:51 GMT
anyway if you are being judged on results, like all managers are, should you throw in the kids just to say to the fans you are giving them a chance? its not a good metric nowadays as any good youth is taken away by the big boys quickly we wouldnt be in l2 now if our youth was given a chance, as much as i would like to have seen it. edinburgh binned quite a lot of them quite quickly don't want to make this an adams love-in just dislike the way that people hate on him and fletcher to some extent adams is a better manager than ross is, thats what the table says even if we finished level on points with them he will have done much better as his budget was much smaller he was deemed suitable to be a manager here a year ago until the last hurdle, so why not today? would he get a good reference off his current employers? I don't hate on fletcher. I wouldn't say I hate on Adams. I just think there is something there in the background that not many chairman seem to want to get involved with. Morecambe have and have seen a turn up on results. Maybe their chairman get on with him. Good for them. |
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Post by redshank on Feb 21, 2021 15:53:31 GMT
Get rid of Ross.
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Post by tuffers on Feb 21, 2021 16:07:30 GMT
so what? we've had managers who have done the same on all of those points. So has every other pro club. has it done any of them long term damage, no, because they always can sack him and get someone in. So what if adams never had a big job? he has recent experience of success at this level, that's all that counts. unfortunately for those managers the only real way to get improved jobs is to strike while the iron is hot, not when you are sacked when results go bad a bit like the cowley brothers, will they get a club bigger than huddersfield next? no plymouth were a big club in L1, why would he want to leave. in the same way slade would not have left had he been allowed to get on with it The point about a big job was made because it looks like nobody higher seems to want to take a chance on him. We can all see he has done good things with Plymouth and Ross County. So why has someone not gone for him. There is something there in the background that the bottom line is that our chairman didn't want to take a chance on either. Simple. Move on The point about the tactics etc I know we have had the same in our past and in our current manager. Is Adams going to give us the forward thinking play that other more tactically astute managers that some want on here. No. The question is on all of this is really what do the fans want. Short term success... Players played out of position... Something people moan about all the time... Same tactics if not working... People moan about that all the time... Style over substance what would you like? Personally I don't think orient will ever be Premier league team in my lifetime. I personally want a team in league 1 that plays exciting football. A team with local talent coming through every couple of years. So to say youth isn't important it is to some fans. It sounds to me that you just want out of league 2 quickly. Are you going to be moaning like this if we are mid table in league 1 and results aren't going our way. im not moaning i just disagree that ross should be immune from any criticism poor style of football is acceptable enough if the results are backing it up, i want whats best for the club, having the 70% possession every game does not get you promoted same for the youths. Brentford don't even have a youth team now, if it meant success on the pitch for the 1st team like they have i would much rather we got rid of our academy too and tried to develop cast offs from the big boys, that is how football works today given the position in the league and style of play ross should be under pressure and rightly so |
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Post by tuffers on Feb 21, 2021 16:10:38 GMT
The point about a big job was made because it looks like nobody higher seems to want to take a chance on him. We can all see he has done good things with Plymouth and Ross County. So why has someone not gone for him. There is something there in the background that the bottom line is that our chairman didn't want to take a chance on either. Simple. Move on The point about the tactics etc I know we have had the same in our past and in our current manager. Is Adams going to give us the forward thinking play that other more tactically astute managers that some want on here. No. The question is on all of this is really what do the fans want. Short term success... Players played out of position... Something people moan about all the time... Same tactics if not working... People moan about that all the time... Style over substance what would you like? Personally I don't think orient will ever be Premier league team in my lifetime. I personally want a team in league 1 that plays exciting football. A team with local talent coming through every couple of years. So to say youth isn't important it is to some fans. It sounds to me that you just want out of league 2 quickly. Are you going to be moaning like this if we are mid table in league 1 and results aren't going our way. im not moaning i just disagree that ross should be immune from any criticism poor style of football is acceptable enough if the results are backing it up, i want whats best for the club, having the 70% possession every game does not get you promoted same for the youths. Brentford don't even have a youth team now, if it meant success on the pitch for the 1st team like they have i would much rather we got rid of our academy too and tried to develop cast offs from the big boys, that is how football works today and has done for some time. the local talent we had in the past mostly were not developed here since age 7 but come in after being let go by other academies. if they are 17 and not 13 when we get them would people still not consider them our own? come off it given the position in the league and style of play ross should be under pressure and rightly so |
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Post by Fisch on Feb 21, 2021 18:55:52 GMT
Going back to my post in support of Ross, it wasn't my intention to in any way curtail discussion or limit freedom of speech but l do rail at the insulting and downright rude way RE is criticised. Throughout social media you can find some childish and pig-ignorant rants, this forum is far away the best in terms of people offering considered views and moderated language. As a rather sensitive and old-fashioned old git, l desperately hope we remain a shining light in a sea of idiocy.
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