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Post by dohnut on Sept 26, 2023 13:09:58 GMT
Southend has bad memories for me 1. I watched them play Brentford in 1970 when the away team scored my friend you supports them started waving his scarf above his head Next thing we know we are circled by a group of bigger boys as we were only 17. The police came and my friend and I were escorted over the fence and around the pitch - we both got outside and ran non stop to the railway station - there are two stations I can’t remember which station I got the train back to Upminster and told my friend never ever do that again ! 2. My first marriage was at the register office in Southend - that went ok but the wife turned out not good for me - So sos ain’t got good memories for me and I ain’t ever going back there Re Martin it’s obvious he just wants money plenty of that the club deserve a better outcome but I never seen them as a real opposing club In the early seventies they played Friday nights at home with small crowds I get frustrated by these sort of anecdotes whereby a whole fan base is being typecast because of a small group of people. Listen up! I’ve be going to Orient games for over 60 years. And believe me I could recount some horrific stories of yobs wearing our colours doing some pretty despicable things. Especially during those troubled thuggish years immortalised by film. I choose not to mention specific incidents, believe me I could, because I don’t see those stupid morons as being true fans of our club and certainly not representative of the fan base as a whole. Southend have their yobs? Yes. All clubs have their yobs? Most likely. Does Orient? I’ve see my share over the years. But they are not representative of the majority of the decent football loving supporters who pay their money during good times and bad to cheer on their team. the comment about small crowds is demonstrably wrong. |
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Post by mujtahido on Sept 26, 2023 13:15:27 GMT
Well said Dohnut why would any football fan want to see another club go bust i quite often have a chat with away fans coming in and out of our ground on match days and 99 percent of them are decent people
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Post by eca on Sept 26, 2023 19:07:49 GMT
Southend has bad memories for me 1. I watched them play Brentford in 1970 when the away team scored my friend you supports them started waving his scarf above his head Next thing we know we are circled by a group of bigger boys as we were only 17. The police came and my friend and I were escorted over the fence and around the pitch - we both got outside and ran non stop to the railway station - there are two stations I can’t remember which station I got the train back to Upminster and told my friend never ever do that again ! 2. My first marriage was at the register office in Southend - that went ok but the wife turned out not good for me - So sos ain’t got good memories for me and I ain’t ever going back there Re Martin it’s obvious he just wants money plenty of that the club deserve a better outcome but I never seen them as a real opposing club In the early seventies they played Friday nights at home with small crowds I get frustrated by these sort of anecdotes whereby a whole fan base is being typecast because of a small group of people. Listen up! I’ve be going to Orient games for over 60 years. And believe me I could recount some horrific stories of yobs wearing our colours doing some pretty despicable things. Especially during those troubled thuggish years immortalised by film. I choose not to mention specific incidents, believe me I could, because I don’t see those stupid morons as being true fans of our club and certainly not representative of the fan base as a whole. Southend have their yobs? Yes. All clubs have their yobs? Most likely. Does Orient? I’ve see my share over the years. But they are not representative of the majority of the decent football loving supporters who pay their money during good times and bad to cheer on their team. the comment about small crowds is demonstrably wrong. Donut we had an exchange of posts historically where you like a spoilt child took offence and stated you were not not wanting to post on here anymore. I and others as a matter of goodwill asked to reconsider and start posting again which you did. My objection to your style was you had and have a propensity (which you acknowledged) to quote me in an incorrect way to justify your posts. You do that again. Further your usual consistent reminder of when you were a “ director” and you always then use stories about how you did this or that to reinforce your view - often totally irrelevant and so boring - as your style of writing is verging on a lecture . In this case you have the audacity to quote me and my own Southend on sea nightmares visits or memories which you clearly did not like - but took it in your way to then tell me by putting my quote on your post. You really should be more generous when interpreting snd voicing your opinion in your style - I say it again I don’t know you but I don’t particularly like your posts when you criticise my posts incorrectly. I I was not using my one story as a means of saying their fan base are yobs. I was not saying the small crowds meant I don’t like the football club. If you read the paragraph all I am saying is they are not in my mind a football club that I saw 53 years ago as a genuine competitor to lofc I would prefer if you just ignore my occasional posts on here .I don’t want to have to be forced to comment on my quotes in your posts Thanks |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 26, 2023 19:38:25 GMT
I get frustrated by these sort of anecdotes whereby a whole fan base is being typecast because of a small group of people. Listen up! I’ve be going to Orient games for over 60 years. And believe me I could recount some horrific stories of yobs wearing our colours doing some pretty despicable things. Especially during those troubled thuggish years immortalised by film. I choose not to mention specific incidents, believe me I could, because I don’t see those stupid morons as being true fans of our club and certainly not representative of the fan base as a whole. Southend have their yobs? Yes. All clubs have their yobs? Most likely. Does Orient? I’ve see my share over the years. But they are not representative of the majority of the decent football loving supporters who pay their money during good times and bad to cheer on their team. the comment about small crowds is demonstrably wrong. Donut we had an exchange of posts historically where you like a spoilt child took offence and stated you were not not wanting to post on here anymore. I and others as a matter of goodwill asked to reconsider and start posting again which you did. My objection to your style was you had and have a propensity (which you acknowledged) to quote me in an incorrect way to justify your posts. You do that again. Further your usual consistent reminder of when you were a “ director” and you always then use stories about how you did this or that to reinforce your view - often totally irrelevant and so boring - as your style of writing is verging on a lecture . In this case you have the audacity to quote me and my own Southend on sea nightmares visits or memories which you clearly did not like - but took it in your way to then tell me by putting my quote on your post. You really should be more generous when interpreting snd voicing your opinion in your style - I say it again I don’t know you but I don’t particularly like your posts when you criticise my posts incorrectly. I I was not using my one story as a means of saying their fan base are yobs. I was not saying the small crowds meant I don’t like the football club. If you read the paragraph all I am saying is they are not in my mind a football club that I saw 53 years ago as a genuine competitor to lofc I would prefer if you just ignore my occasional posts on here .I don’t want to have to be forced to comment on my quotes in your posts Thanks reference to my past roles has not happened for some time, I appreciate they offend some for some reason so I now don’t any more. If it wrankles still with you, that’s your problem, I can do nothing about that other than to be cautious about mentioning it, as I am. If you cannot see how comments about a minority can be seen in the wider context of the club and in the context of this thread, that again is your problem. What I will make absolutely clear, is the fact that I have a number of good friends and family who are Shrimper fans of a good many years who right now are suffering in a way that us as Orient fans appreciate. They are good, honest decent people and I will not now nor ever will let comments go unchallenged that explicitly or implicitly besmirch their reputation. Or a least try to add balance. Which is exactly what I have done and you in your reply felt the need to do. If your words are misinterpreted then I suggest you look firstly at the choice of words chosen. Don’t blame others for you own poor communication. I have the good grace to accept I communicate badly on occasions and apologise. I suggest you do the same. |
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Post by frogman on Sept 26, 2023 20:23:25 GMT
From reading the posts on this thread and that about Scunthorpe
My reading is that the Scunthorpe owner who may have had a chequered past is doing his best for Scunthorpe
While the Southend owner is running the club down
One a hero the other a zero
What on Earth do the premier league or EFL do to find a fit and proper owner
Even if their was a regulator
Would they really be able to stop clubs
Being bought by anyone
Like state ownership as in Newcastle
Manchester City probably breeching fair play
Would we as fans of Leyton Orient
Worry who sponsor us if their money got us as sustainable in the Championship and above to the premier league
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Post by eca on Sept 26, 2023 20:38:10 GMT
Donut we had an exchange of posts historically where you like a spoilt child took offence and stated you were not not wanting to post on here anymore. I and others as a matter of goodwill asked to reconsider and start posting again which you did. My objection to your style was you had and have a propensity (which you acknowledged) to quote me in an incorrect way to justify your posts. You do that again. Further your usual consistent reminder of when you were a “ director” and you always then use stories about how you did this or that to reinforce your view - often totally irrelevant and so boring - as your style of writing is verging on a lecture . In this case you have the audacity to quote me and my own Southend on sea nightmares visits or memories which you clearly did not like - but took it in your way to then tell me by putting my quote on your post. You really should be more generous when interpreting snd voicing your opinion in your style - I say it again I don’t know you but I don’t particularly like your posts when you criticise my posts incorrectly. I I was not using my one story as a means of saying their fan base are yobs. I was not saying the small crowds meant I don’t like the football club. If you read the paragraph all I am saying is they are not in my mind a football club that I saw 53 years ago as a genuine competitor to lofc I would prefer if you just ignore my occasional posts on here .I don’t want to have to be forced to comment on my quotes in your posts Thanks reference to my past roles has not happened for some time, I appreciate they offend some for some reason so I now don’t any more. If it wrankles still with you, that’s your problem, I can do nothing about that other than to be cautious about mentioning it, as I am. If you cannot see how comments about a minority can be seen in the wider context of the club and in the context of this thread, that again is your problem. What I will make absolutely clear, is the fact that I have a number of good friends and family who are Shrimper fans of a good many years who right now are suffering in a way that us as Orient fans appreciate. They are good, honest decent people and I will not now nor ever will let comments go unchallenged that explicitly or implicitly besmirch their reputation. Or a least try to add balance. Which is exactly what I have done and you in your reply felt the need to do. If your words are misinterpreted then I suggest you look firstly at the choice of words chosen. Don’t blame others for you own poor communication. I have the good grace to accept I communicate badly on occasions and apologise. I suggest you do the same. Another lecture from the Director - you use the words “your problem“ I have no problem other than your patronising attitude I too have been a Director, not in IT but other industries, but I have never ever mentioned that to attempt to inject some intellectual superiority in any post in a footy forum. The fact you have stopped that in your own words confirms you acknowledge your stupidity. Regarding interpretation I have got many things to do in life that are more important to me than trying to re convey your correct interpretation of my “poor” words. I guess the next stage in this negative communication is you state your academic qualification( if any ) and we then debate which one of us has the highest qualification or who earned the most in their working lives So mate I ain’t spending any more time with you on this - just do not quote me again in your posts - I trust you can read that simple request - and make sure you follow that too. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 26, 2023 22:25:06 GMT
reference to my past roles has not happened for some time, I appreciate they offend some for some reason so I now don’t any more. If it wrankles still with you, that’s your problem, I can do nothing about that other than to be cautious about mentioning it, as I am. If you cannot see how comments about a minority can be seen in the wider context of the club and in the context of this thread, that again is your problem. What I will make absolutely clear, is the fact that I have a number of good friends and family who are Shrimper fans of a good many years who right now are suffering in a way that us as Orient fans appreciate. They are good, honest decent people and I will not now nor ever will let comments go unchallenged that explicitly or implicitly besmirch their reputation. Or a least try to add balance. Which is exactly what I have done and you in your reply felt the need to do. If your words are misinterpreted then I suggest you look firstly at the choice of words chosen. Don’t blame others for you own poor communication. I have the good grace to accept I communicate badly on occasions and apologise. I suggest you do the same. Another lecture from the Director - you use the words “your problem“ I have no problem other than your patronising attitude I too have been a Director, not in IT but other industries, but I have never ever mentioned that to attempt to inject some intellectual superiority in any post in a footy forum. The fact you have stopped that in your own words confirms you acknowledge your stupidity. Regarding interpretation I have got many things to do in life that are more important to me than trying to re convey your correct interpretation of my “poor” words. I guess the next stage in this negative communication is you state your academic qualification( if any ) and we then debate which one of us has the highest qualification or who earned the most in their working lives So mate I ain’t spending any more time with you on this - just do not quote me again in your posts - I trust you can read that simple request - and make sure you follow that too. You really have a problem with stuff that finished a long time ago, dredging up old history. I stopped not because of stupidity but because it seemed to be causing you some difficulties . Goodness knows why but I stopped as a gesture of respect towards a fellow boarder. If you cannot understand that it’s very much down to your stupidity I’m afraid to say. As is bringing it all up again. Now that is stupid. As for posting, I’ll respond to posts as I wish and will continue to add balance to comments where I feel it necessary. Anyway in the interests of keeping this forum a decent place, I’ll retire from posting for a short time and not return to this thread so you can simmer down. 👍 |
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Post by arrgee on Sept 27, 2023 12:56:44 GMT
Interesting development here. I wonder if this can be done before they get thrown out of the National League. www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/25/southend-united-crisis-wound-up-levelling-up-fund-save/Southend United days away from being wound up but Levelling Up fund could save stricken club Proposal to buy Roots Hall for £4.5 million submitted to Government fund that aims to help locals seize back control of community assets Southend United, the most financially stricken club in English football, could be rescued from collapse by the Government’s Levelling Up fund. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 27, 2023 14:17:58 GMT
I thought that stopped when Covid was over.That way we the taxpayers are putting our money to a worthy cause.Robbing Peter HM taxpyers to pay Paul HMRC.
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Post by arrgee on Sept 27, 2023 14:42:42 GMT
I thought that stopped when Covid was over.That way we the taxpayers are putting our money to a worthy cause.Robbing Peter HM taxpyers to pay Paul HMRC. I am not sure football clubs are a worthy cause in the eyes of many. Maybe if their stadiums were used a lot on non match days, but often that isn’t the case and £4.5m is just to buy the ground. Beyond that millions will need to be spent by any new owners. I suspect that like Scunthorpe, Southend may not make it to the end if the season. |
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Post by estaing on Sept 27, 2023 17:31:58 GMT
I think the owner, Martin, is hoping they don't make it to the end of the season. His ambition is to develop Roots Hall ground as a building project.
Maybe Southend Fans could, like Orient, persuade Southend Council to list the ground as a "community Asset for Sport". This could make Martins more interested in saving the club.
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Post by Thor on Sept 27, 2023 17:43:03 GMT
If only Matt Roper posted on here as he knows all this sort of stuff and has helped other clubs in similar situations.
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Post by billericayo on Sept 27, 2023 23:57:11 GMT
Interesting development here. I wonder if this can be done before they get thrown out of the National League. www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/25/southend-united-crisis-wound-up-levelling-up-fund-save/Southend United days away from being wound up but Levelling Up fund could save stricken club Proposal to buy Roots Hall for £4.5 million submitted to Government fund that aims to help locals seize back control of community assets Southend United, the most financially stricken club in English football, could be rescued from collapse by the Government’s Levelling Up fund. Sounds like clutching at straws, levelling fund is not for football clubs to get out of the proverbial due to near criminal activity by dodgy scheming chairman and or directors. the directors of this ill run club are guilty of being asleep on the job |
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Post by Fisch on Sept 28, 2023 2:27:53 GMT
I'm thinking that levelling up funds could be regarded as the perfect answer to Southend's woes - if there's enough votes in it.
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Post by dohnut on Sept 28, 2023 9:38:40 GMT
Interesting development here. I wonder if this can be done before they get thrown out of the National League. www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/09/25/southend-united-crisis-wound-up-levelling-up-fund-save/Southend United days away from being wound up but Levelling Up fund could save stricken club Proposal to buy Roots Hall for £4.5 million submitted to Government fund that aims to help locals seize back control of community assets Southend United, the most financially stricken club in English football, could be rescued from collapse by the Government’s Levelling Up fund. Sounds like clutching at straws, levelling fund is not for football clubs to get out of the proverbial due to near criminal activity by dodgy scheming chairman and or directors. the directors of this ill run club are guilty of being asleep on the job Thereby is the rub in my opinion. Has Martin in his role of Director done anything illegal? I don’t think evidence has yet been produced to prove this and as such wont accuse him of criminal activity nor tar other club officials with the same brush. I appreciate the “near” criminal activity comment of course. Sharp practice, dodgy dealings, crap management, a-hole, slippery. I’m sure many labels can be aimed in his direction and I have little doubt with much justification. I could probably add a few adjectives of my own. And I live in hope of criminal activity being proven. As much as I don’t want to see any football club fold, I’m not convinced the levelling up fund is the right thing, nor do I believe it to be likely. |
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Post by eca on Sept 28, 2023 11:52:25 GMT
I thought Donut was going on holiday to Southend for a break - rather short holiday Donut what happened .
“Short Time “ - Good directors should always lead by example and keep their word.
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Post by estaing on Sept 28, 2023 12:01:47 GMT
I'm off now. An excess of Dohnuts makes me sick.
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Post by eca on Sept 28, 2023 12:07:29 GMT
Sounds like clutching at straws, levelling fund is not for football clubs to get out of the proverbial due to near criminal activity by dodgy scheming chairman and or directors. the directors of this ill run club are guilty of being asleep on the job Thereby is the rub in my opinion. Has Martin in his role of Director done anything illegal? I don’t think evidence has yet been produced to prove this and as such wont accuse him of criminal activity nor tar other club officials with the same brush. I appreciate the “near” criminal activity comment of course. Sharp practice, dodgy dealings, crap management, a-hole, slippery. I’m sure many labels can be aimed in his direction and I have little doubt with much justification. I could probably add a few adjectives of my own. And I live in hope of criminal activity being proven. As much as I don’t want to see any football club fold, I’m not convinced the levelling up fund is the right thing, nor do I believe it to be likely. A lot of words - unfortunately all fact-less - a bit like a politician or a Director that always knows and promotes / lectures their own self importance. Ooh well could of said simply - Tax payers money is not appropriate for subsidies to a private company. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 28, 2023 14:17:18 GMT
Thereby is the rub in my opinion. Has Martin in his role of Director done anything illegal? I don’t think evidence has yet been produced to prove this and as such wont accuse him of criminal activity nor tar other club officials with the same brush. I appreciate the “near” criminal activity comment of course. Sharp practice, dodgy dealings, crap management, a-hole, slippery. I’m sure many labels can be aimed in his direction and I have little doubt with much justification. I could probably add a few adjectives of my own. And I live in hope of criminal activity being proven. As much as I don’t want to see any football club fold, I’m not convinced the levelling up fund is the right thing, nor do I believe it to be likely. A lot of words - unfortunately all fact-less - a bit like a politician or a Director that always knows and promotes / lectures their own self importance. Ooh well could have said simply - Tax payers money is not appropriate for subsidies to a private company. Please. Do me a courtesy similar to the one I extended to you a long time ago. I no longer talk about this stuff because for reasons of your own, you found it annoying. Return the courtesy. It would be appreciated. Thank you. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 28, 2023 14:28:34 GMT
Lower league football clubs are all worthy of Government money (taxpayers) to save.So many businesses and the whole general area rely on the clubs as they are very much part of the community.Unfortunately no matter how many checks are made the lure of the big penny is bait for the unscrupulous.
So many non league clubs in my own area have been sold off to property developers for pieces of silver.Pleased that Barkingside and Dagenham&Redbridge resisted.
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