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Post by dohnut on Sept 28, 2023 14:58:07 GMT
Lower league football clubs are all worthy of Government money (taxpayers) to save.So many businesses and the whole general area rely on the clubs as they are very much part of the community.Unfortunately no matter how many checks are made the lure of the big penny is bait for the unscrupulous. So many non league clubs in my own area have been sold off to property developers for pieces of silver.Pleased that Barkingside and Dagenham&Redbridge resisted. Depends on what the taxpayer gets back in return. If you argue on behalf of a football club, the same argument could hold true for any local business in the community in difficulty. Tricky area. When you start, where do you stop. The council buying the ground and leasing it back to the club makes sense. The Council owns an asset and earn income. With the money, the club pays off debts and has funds to revitalise the stadium. Council owned grounds, now there’s an idea. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 28, 2023 15:12:45 GMT
Just heard that Scunthorpe have been asked to vacate Glanford Park and will be playing games elsewhere as the owners juggle with financial issues.
This is the issue I see with the Government funding struggling football clubs. If they step in to financially rescue Southend using the levelling up fund then they have to do the same at Scunthorpe. And any other club having troubles. It’s a tricky path to go down.
Feel for Scunny fans. They too are having a torrid time.
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Post by arrgee on Sept 28, 2023 16:28:13 GMT
Lower league football clubs are all worthy of Government money (taxpayers) to save. I’m not sure they are. Pretty much all of them are a money pit as Nigel Travis has stated on numerous occasions. £4.5m to buy Roots Hall is the thin end of the wedge. There are the running (wages) and the maintenance costs, which in Orient’s case means losing around £2m/annum and would not be dissimilar for Southend. And Southend doubtless have other liabilities that a new owner would need to meet. Orient have liabilities of around £10m. I don’t believe any other European country has the same number of professional clubs as England. And it is not down to the tax payer to fund it. |
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Post by vinnyh on Sept 28, 2023 16:54:01 GMT
For what it's worth, I think the idea of trying to use the levelling up fund is just that, an idea by the local Councillor in the hope that as a last resort, it may just work. The cynical side of me though thinks that this is so that the Councillor can protect their own back and say that they at least tried every avenue.
Should they try and go for the levelling up fund, I couldn't see the government accepting as it would set a president for the ever increasing number of clubs that are heading to financial ruin.
It really is a sorry state of affairs and wouldn't want to see Southend fold.
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Post by osoldguy on Sept 28, 2023 17:13:27 GMT
Just heard that Scunthorpe have been asked to vacate Glanford Park and will be playing games elsewhere as the owners juggle with financial issues. This is the issue I see with the Government funding struggling football clubs. If they step in to financially rescue Southend using the levelling up fund then they have to do the same at Scunthorpe. And any other club having troubles. It’s a tricky path to go down. Feel for Scunny fans. They too are having a torrid time. Hilton has withdrawn funding for the club. Shambles. |
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Post by vinnyh on Sept 28, 2023 17:27:25 GMT
Just heard that Scunthorpe have been asked to vacate Glanford Park and will be playing games elsewhere as the owners juggle with financial issues. This is the issue I see with the Government funding struggling football clubs. If they step in to financially rescue Southend using the levelling up fund then they have to do the same at Scunthorpe. And any other club having troubles. It’s a tricky path to go down. Feel for Scunny fans. They too are having a torrid time. Just reading that Scunthorpe announced that they will play their games at Gainsborough Trinity, which turns out is news to them. Gainsborough have said that they've been open to talks of sharing their ground, but nothing has been agreed. |
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Post by Fisch on Sept 28, 2023 18:14:53 GMT
Just reading that Scunthorpe announced that they will play their games at Gainsborough Trinity, which turns out is news to them. Gainsborough have said that they've been open to talks of sharing their ground, but nothing has been agreed. The move from screw-up to joke and on to farce seems relentless. |
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Post by theydonorient on Sept 28, 2023 21:25:24 GMT
Even though I had no good feelings towards Scunthorpe after our 1999 play off final for them to end up as they have done since then must be soul destroying for the club, players and the supporters.
The route cause seems to be what we suffered with the mad Italian and what Southend (Ron the Rat Martin) and Scunthorpe are suffering.
When will the EFL and the FA finally take action and grasp the nettle and bring in a proper method of preventing cowboys taking over clubs? Its long overdue.
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Post by arrgee on Sept 28, 2023 23:30:10 GMT
When will the EFL and the FA finally take action and grasp the nettle and bring in a proper method of preventing cowboys taking over clubs? The twelfth of never. However, Orient’s recent owners have ranged from being marmite like Barry Hearn to being an absolute disaster like Becchetti. Even now I don’t know what to think of Barry Hearn. Was he a saviour or was he a leech? I doubt Orient would exist had he not came in, but he certainly took advantage with the housing development. However he does appear to be supportive of Travis and Teague. I do think Hearn was good on the whole, but he could have been better. Ultimately, who can judge who is fit and proper to own a football club? The biggest clubs like Manchester City and Newcastle United have questionable owners. As did Chelsea. And Spurs. And the US owners of Manchester United and Arsenal haven’t been wholly accepted, though Arsenal’s Kroenke Out protests seem to have stopped. Orient are fortunate to have Nigel Travis involved. A rare exception to the rule. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 29, 2023 8:30:09 GMT
Just heard that Scunthorpe have been asked to vacate Glanford Park and will be playing games elsewhere as the owners juggle with financial issues. This is the issue I see with the Government funding struggling football clubs. If they step in to financially rescue Southend using the levelling up fund then they have to do the same at Scunthorpe. And any other club having troubles. It’s a tricky path to go down. Feel for Scunny fans. They too are having a torrid time. Just reading that Scunthorpe announced that they will play their games at Gainsborough Trinity, which turns out is news to them. Gainsborough have said that they've been open to talks of sharing their ground, but nothing has been agreed. I agree vinnvh. I read the same stories and whilst one person sees it has happening others appear completely in the dark. We never know what agreements have been reached by owners, or not. Maybe it’s a done deal and the decision hasn’t filtered down. Maybe it’s a move that will not happen but a threat of what could. Game playing stuff. Either way it’s got to be rough managing, playing for and Supporting the club. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 29, 2023 11:20:02 GMT
Just feel for Scunny fans,such a great name in football.How many clubs get referred to by the familiar and friendly name as Scunny do.
Saw many heartbroken fans on the tube back to Hainault and spoke to some on their last day in the football league.No joy in beating them 3-0,just sadness as to their decline.
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Post by fortissimo on Sept 29, 2023 12:27:31 GMT
It seems only a couple of years ago that I saw them beat Millwall in a L1 playoff final. Nigel Adkins was their manager, they had everything going for them. Fortunes change so quickly in football.
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Post by dohnut on Sept 29, 2023 14:39:19 GMT
When will the EFL and the FA finally take action and grasp the nettle and bring in a proper method of preventing cowboys taking over clubs? The twelfth of never. However, Orient’s recent owners have ranged from being marmite like Barry Hearn to being an absolute disaster like Becchetti. Even now I don’t know what to think of Barry Hearn. Was he a saviour or was he a leech? I doubt Orient would exist had he not came in, but he certainly took advantage with the housing development. However he does appear to be supportive of Travis and Teague. I do think Hearn was good on the whole, but he could have been better. Ultimately, who can judge who is fit and proper to own a football club? The biggest clubs like Manchester City and Newcastle United have questionable owners. As did Chelsea. And Spurs. And the US owners of Manchester United and Arsenal haven’t been wholly accepted, though Arsenal’s Kroenke Out protests seem to have stopped. Orient are fortunate to have Nigel Travis involved. A rare exception to the rule. Nail on the head. Who can judge? And given football clubs are Limited Companies subject to rules and laws that trump any the EFL can apply, I do wonder on exactly what realistic powers the EFL actually hold. They cannot prevent the sale of a business to another party, can they? sure they can dock points, even stop a club from participating in the league. But these are wholly unlikely. And probably challengeable in law. Maybe those that know more that me can explain what are the true extent of EFL powers to prevent ownership. By power I don’t mean recommendations. |
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Post by arrgee on Sept 29, 2023 16:01:22 GMT
Just feel for Scunny fans,such a great name in football.How many clubs get referred to by the familiar and friendly name as Scunny do. Saw many heartbroken fans on the tube back to Hainault and spoke to some on their last day in the football league.No joy in beating them 3-0,just sadness as to their decline. The ones I met in the pub afterwards were glad they didn’t get tanked in the second half! Remembering when Orient went out of the league, it was inevitable by then. The main difference is Orient had a white knight about to come to the rescue. Scunthorpe have just gone into terminal decline. Saw them at Dagenham last season and again there was the inevitable feeling of doom amongst their support. Hard to see how they can come back even if they manage to keep afloat. |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 29, 2023 20:08:34 GMT
Being reported in the Southend Echo a deal to buy the club is very close. The 4th Oct deadline maybe focusing the minds of all involved. Hope so. A breakdown now won’t be nice. Wish them well.
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Post by billericayo on Sept 30, 2023 0:20:38 GMT
Ah,OK. I didn't know there were camps, I thought it was just one site (Dales Farm) which is on the other side of the A127, very near to where billericayo lives, if I've got that right. I thought they moved out of there years ago. I can now see why billericayo has such a soft spot for them.   Smiled at your comments, Dale farm is still alive and kicking. From Basildon down to Rayleigh, Pikey sites dominate both sides of the A127. The local school at Crays Hill is 100% pikey children all local children moved out pretty darn quick, Local pub will not admit them. On a personal note friends of ours had their pet goat stolen from their own stable one night, they put a reward notice in local paper and guess what, the Pikeys came forward claiming they found said animal wandering near there site and give us the money please. Police said they would not attend exchange as it would inflame the situation. Me i went armed to the teeth but well hidden. They were as good as gold smiled nicely introduced the "Dragon" they're all called Mary, offered us tea and bickies, went home with a happy goat feeling cheated and deflated, thems is clever people |
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Post by dohnut on Sept 30, 2023 6:48:04 GMT
Seems stories of Scunny moving out of their current home appear to be confirmed by the club. Ground owners want to take vacant possession. Shame. Currently well placed in NL North. Still get decent attendances too.
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Post by redshank on Sept 30, 2023 10:33:17 GMT
The devil will be in the detail,a cliche but sadly true.
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Post by arrgee on Sept 30, 2023 12:25:11 GMT
Seems stories of Scunny moving out of their current home appear to be confirmed by the club. Ground owners want to take vacant possession. Shame. Currently well placed in NL North. Still get decent attendances too. However with the owner no longer funding the club, it’s hard to see how they will pay wages with massive debts and monthly turnover of £75,000, likely to be less with fewer supporters making the 30 mile round trip to Gainsborough. Highly likely the employees including players and coaches will be reduced to bare bones by the end of the year. |
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Post by redshank on Sept 30, 2023 12:33:49 GMT
Imagine how the Scunny fans are feeling this Saturday.Ownership of lower league clubs grounds are probably the main cause of the clubs slow decline into liquidation.Hope someone helps and soon.
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