|
|
Post by Thor on Apr 29, 2024 10:33:31 GMT
I posted up the video of Matt Harold and he openly said "hopefully the manager situation gets sorted soon" which is quite a massive statement to make. I never mentioned it in the thread as I wanted to see what others thought of it were?
Last night the star man awards were held and Richie didn't turn up. He was there last time out.
I am hoping this is not the beginning of the end of his time here as he is up there as the best manager I've seen in my time supporting the club.
If he were to go, I'd be gutted and I'd really fear for our place in league 1 next season as I don't have the faith in Ling to find the right person based on his previous manager failures. Both Justin and Richie came to us, we didn't go and find either. Remember without either of those two we'd have been relegated from the National league and we'd have been relegated out of league 2.
So it seems that the January window or so it would appears to have really caused more damage than we may have been led to believe.
At this stage of our development as a club this is a pivotal moment, lose him and we are in trouble, of that I've no doubt, keep him and get him the players he wants not what ling ships in and let him take us to the next level.
Nigel and the board you are well versed in business and business decisions and I accept no one is bigger than any company, but you should always look to keep and develop your top talent and he is top talent of that there is no doubt. Better get pushing that boat out as best you can.
These are fearful days.
|
|
|
|
Post by ostralia on Apr 29, 2024 10:39:57 GMT
You’ve mentioned that before, that Ritchie and Justin came to us, we didn’t find them. What is it you know about the process by which they came to be orient manager that isn’t common knowledge? (I assume, unless I’m totally out of the loop?). I was under the impression the process for appointing a new manager was the broadly the same each time (I guess barring the Ross embleton appointment). Is there information out there to suggest otherwise that I’m not aware of?
|
|
|
|
Post by mujtahido on Apr 29, 2024 11:02:58 GMT
Wellens now 2/1 favourite for the barnsley job
|
|
|
|
Post by Thor on Apr 29, 2024 11:29:07 GMT
You’ve mentioned that before, that Ritchie and Justin came to us, we didn’t find them. What is it you know about the process by which they came to be orient manager that isn’t common knowledge? (I assume, unless I’m totally out of the loop?). I was under the impression the process for appointing a new manager was the broadly the same each time (I guess barring the Ross embleton appointment). Is there information out there to suggest otherwise that I’m not aware of? Yes Ling said it in his press conference for both appointments. No inside knowledge, just what he said at each appointment. |
|
|
|
Post by eca on Apr 29, 2024 11:31:15 GMT
On what basis do bookmakers reduce the odds when it’s supposed to be all private and subjective.
How would they know - all this is speculation is not in anyone’s interest as some of the bookies named managers are actually currently employed.
I mean it’s not like a horse or team with form
|
|
|
|
Post by ostralia on Apr 29, 2024 11:32:49 GMT
You’ve mentioned that before, that Ritchie and Justin came to us, we didn’t find them. What is it you know about the process by which they came to be orient manager that isn’t common knowledge? (I assume, unless I’m totally out of the loop?). I was under the impression the process for appointing a new manager was the broadly the same each time (I guess barring the Ross embleton appointment). Is there information out there to suggest otherwise that I’m not aware of? Yes Ling said it in his press conference for both appointments. No inside knowledge, just what he said at each appointment. Yeah right, I must have missed that. Oh well, I guess if and when Ritchie does go, let’s hope we get lucky and a top manager falls into our lap again. |
|
|
|
Post by billk53 on Apr 29, 2024 11:37:57 GMT
I posted up the video of Matt Harold and he openly said "hopefully the manager situation gets sorted soon" which is quite a massive statement to make. I never mentioned it in the thread as I wanted to see what others thought of it were? Last night the star man awards were held and Richie didn't turn up. He was there last time out. I am hoping this is not the beginning of the end of his time here as he is up there as the best manager I've seen in my time supporting the club. If he were to go, I'd be gutted and I'd really fear for our place in league 1 next season as I don't have the faith in Ling to find the right person based on his previous manager failures. Both Justin and Richie came to us, we didn't go and find either. Remember without either of those two we'd have been relegated from the National league and we'd have been relegated out of league 2. So it seems that the January window or so it would appears to have really caused more damage than we may have been led to believe. At this stage of our development as a club this is a pivotal moment, lose him and we are in trouble, of that I've no doubt, keep him and get him the players he wants not what ling ships in and let him take us to the next level. Nigel and the board you are well versed in business and business decisions and I accept no one is bigger than any company, but you should always look to keep and develop your top talent and he is top talent of that there is no doubt. Better get pushing that boat out as best you can. These are fearful days. Your second paragraph says it all I fear |
|
|
|
Post by Timmo on Apr 29, 2024 11:39:23 GMT
Hasn't Richie also said that we approached him a few years back but he let his heart rule his head and went
to Doncaster Rovers instead or did I dream that.
|
|
|
|
Post by dohnut on Apr 29, 2024 11:41:44 GMT
If he goes, and he may not, then he leaves us in a far better place than when he joined. For that he deserves our thanks and best wishes. Who of us can begrudge him the opportunity to move on to better things, both financially and career wise.
I’ll be delighted if he stays but will wish him every success if he goes.
|
|
|
|
Post by eca on Apr 29, 2024 11:44:41 GMT
What annoys me the most is this induced predicament that may be real or it may not be and all the negativity it is causing.
I understand Nigel and the club cannot keep issuing statements of reassurance everytime a member of staff is linked with another club - be that a player or RW but as some one else stated if they are trying to work out the traffic lights again this end of football season as last year it must be of dreadful ramifications for all.
1. Players hesitant to sign new or existing
2. Players on red told no contract may then be required if a new manager had to be appointed because they may play a different style needing different attributes from the squad.
3 Now we have negatively derived from this speculation
It’s all now like a soap drama and most fans on here are basic football people not needing all this conjecture.
In addition players may have wife’s or g friends that have salaried jobs who cannot hand their notice in, incase they may be staying and or the players with school children have the hassle of not knowing about the schooling arrangements.
It’s all more complex than if RW is staying or going.
|
|
|
|
Post by billk53 on Apr 29, 2024 12:00:40 GMT
The potential situation is further worsened by Matt Harrold's depature imho
|
|
|
|
Post by eca on Apr 29, 2024 12:02:53 GMT
The potential situation is further worsened by Matt Harrold's depature imho Yes However RW did say in his own words in a recent interview that he was aware that he had not stayed at other clubs very long and he needed to demonstrate a longer tenure ( or words to that effect) |
|
|
|
Post by osoldguy on Apr 29, 2024 12:04:38 GMT
What annoys me the most is this induced predicament that may be real or it may not be and all the negativity it is causing. I understand Nigel and the club cannot keep issuing statements of reassurance everytime a member of staff is linked with another club - be that a player or RW but as some one else stated if they are trying to work out the traffic lights again this end of football season as last year it must be of dreadful ramifications for all. 1. Players hesitant to sign new or existing 2. Players on red told no contract may then be required if a new manager had to be appointed because they may play a different style needing different attributes from the squad. 3 Now we have negatively derived from this speculation It’s all now like a soap drama and most fans on here are basic football people not needing all this conjecture. In addition players may have wife’s or g friends that have salaried jobs who cannot hand their notice in, incase they may be staying and or the players with school children have the hassle of not knowing about the schooling arrangements. It’s all more complex than if RW is staying or going. Kevin Phillips has ordered an O's scarf ready for his impending appointment. A move back South would suit. He's having his Hertfordshire home redecorated in red and white🦧 |
|
|
|
Post by alfresco on Apr 29, 2024 12:06:45 GMT
For the manager not to show up to the Starman awards tells me there's something wrong.
As fans we don't know if it's something or nothing, but if it's something, we can only speculate what it is that's bugging Richie.
My opinion, right or wrong is, Richie was fuming with the way Ling handled the January transfer window, and I believe this has been in Richie's mind ever since.
Richie is fiercely ambitious, and he feels the club (Ling) are not prepared to match his ambition.
A move to Barnsley would be a dream move for Richie.
A club with more resources than Orient, 45 mins from his Manchester home, a club he would probably take into the championship, and almost certainly higher salary.
His days here may be over....I really hope I'm wrong
|
|
|
|
Post by billk53 on Apr 29, 2024 12:11:52 GMT
He possibly had more pressing(!) business up in Barnsley
|
|
|
|
Post by redintheface on Apr 29, 2024 12:11:54 GMT
Isn’t it a fact that Wellens is already contracted to the O’s until the end of the 2024/25 season? If so, then the ball is very much in the court of Barnsley ( or anyone else for that matter) who comes knocking as they will presumably have to pay a hefty sum in compensation to buy out RW’s contract. I’d have thought that Travis is smart enough to know that letting Wellens move elsewhere would not be a move welcomed by many fans and , holding the whip hand, would be in a position to to see off any approach if he wants to.
|
|
|
|
Post by eca on Apr 29, 2024 12:17:52 GMT
I think how it works either the club has to be approached and then give their permission for talks to commence
Alternatively like any employment contract an employee resigns and then he goes where ever he wants to
|
|
|
|
Post by ramblingman on Apr 29, 2024 12:24:44 GMT
Eca says how do the bookmakers know? Well precisely! The last few times we have been In the market the early betting and even some of the late betting has been no guide to got the job.
Richie has done a good job for us and I would want him to stay, but he isn't a genius. He's a very good manager but he's not perfect. Wellensball is light on goalscoring opportunities, his disciplinary record is poor and he shoots from the hip on occasions when a bit more tact is called for. I suspect that Nigel Travis's people management skills are amply deployed.
This has been his fourth season in League One and on every previous occasion the club he was associated with got relegated- there has been far more to Orient's relative success this season than the Richie effect.
His absence from the Starman dinner is unexplained. Whether he's considering his future or not there must have been extenuating circumstances because I can't conceive of a situation in which a leader would not have wanted to be there- so let's assume there were other matters that kept Richie away and hope it's nothing serious.
I intend to await developments.
.
|
|
|
|
Post by Thor on Apr 29, 2024 12:29:18 GMT
The potential situation is further worsened by Matt Harrold's depature imho Yes However RW did say in his own words in a recent interview that he was aware that he had not stayed at other clubs very long and he needed to demonstrate a longer tenure ( or words to that effect) he did indeed say that and I would like to think this is a indicator that he's more likely to stay than go. I know he's linked to the Barnsley job, but they've just sacked a manger whilst in the play offs, that's says to me Salford and Doncaster all over again. The man is the king of his court here, the players love him, the fans love him the board say they love him. Sometimes it's better to be in a place of love and happiness than gamble and it goes wrong and for him another failure may not be good for his career. However, take the O's to the championship and clubs in the Premier will be watching, achieving that on our budget would demonstrate he is capable and given a resource of greater value would see what he could do and show how good he is. |
|
|
|
Post by Thor on Apr 29, 2024 12:31:58 GMT
As for the betting the more money get bet the lower the odds become as the bookies don't want to lose money. On a small market like league one it's likely small amounts could move the odds dramatically rather than the next Liverpool manager as more money is being wagered.
|
|
